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hi I'm John Carpenter psychiatric

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therapist and UFO researcher recently I

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just got back from Brazil South America

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where I had given a presentation on

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alien abductions at an International

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Conference in kurachiba kurachiba is in

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the southern part of Brazil which is

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more Industrial in European in nature I

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was much surprised at this this is also

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the area where the case in Virginia is

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located

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before I went to Brazil I had heard

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rumors about a saucer crash in the

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military capturing live beans

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this was very mysterious and so I

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figured by the time I went to Brazil

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that I could get the real facts

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this was difficult at first because

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I could not speak Portuguese and

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therefore I had to rely on translations

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from different investigators and the

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details were sketching I ran into a few

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Americans speaking Brazilians and they

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tried to tell me more details this

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raised my curiosity along with several

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of the other researchers who were

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present at the conference

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what I did finally was go up to Vittoria

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pacaccini one of the chief investigators

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and asked him a few questions hoping

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that he could understand my English I

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was surprised to find that he spoke very

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good English and was quite willing to

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share many details I decided at this

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point to team up with Stanton Friedman

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from Canada and Graham Birdsall from

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England and the three of us would

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interview him in my hotel room finally

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we would get the

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intricate and specific details of this

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most interesting case in Virginia

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now before I went to Brazil I had

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thought that this must be some kind of

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jungle hysteria some kind of story that

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was spread like a wild rumor through the

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jungles in The Villages well when I

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realized how industrial and specialized

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this area was I soon began to take the

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whole case much more seriously I was

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most impressed with the investigators I

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think you will be too

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join me now in the front line

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investigation of this case as you will

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be there on this first interview

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gathering information as we are after

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the interview with Victoria paccini we

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will look at some photos and drawings to

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summarize the case

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and then following that AJ javard the

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head of the mutual UFO Network for

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Brazil and the editor of UFO magazine in

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Brazil will add some additional comments

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remarks and thoughts

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I hope you enjoy as this case unfolds

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before you the complexity and the

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seriousness

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of the idea that aliens were captured in

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yes my name is Victoria where do I look

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doesn't matter just look at something

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because you're between the two cameras

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yeah

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um

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my name is Victoria pakachini

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I'm 31 years old I'm single I live in

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Bella resort which is the capital of of

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the state of Minnesota ice it's the

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second state of Brazil and

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uh I belong to this oldest Brazilian

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investigation group it's called siku Ani

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and I have been working with them for 18

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years now

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uh the group was was uh established

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right after the World War II so we're

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talking about a 50 years old group more

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or less it's the oldest in Brazil for

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their sightings back then in Brazil in

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46 47 yes many

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and and the president was uh uh at that

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time we didn't have the Jets in Brazil

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so we had the Thunderbolt group he was

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one of the pilots okay of the of the

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Thunderbolt Fighters at that time so he

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uh is the president he stopped he

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started this this group at that time

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so

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uh we have many many experiences in the

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field we work on the field we don't do

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office investigation okay we go to the

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field I am the ranger I am the one who

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goes through the woods I am the one who

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say stay in the car I go there on a mud

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sometimes rainy day everything we use

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wonky-talkies and things like that come

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fast

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so I have a little experience I I should

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say that I never met Mr ubiraj Rodriguez

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which is now my partner on Virginia was

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on the stage yes yes now he's back to

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Virginia he has to work tomorrow morning

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he's a lawyer

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so and uh

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let's go straight to the point so I was

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the abilities aren't you I just at that

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Sunday I just bought a newspaper it was

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in the in the beginning of February

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1996.

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some months ago so I bought the

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newspaper estado jimina's papers the

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biggest in our state

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and I found his picture on a page saying

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somebody in Virginia saw this weird

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creature

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later on we have this Fantastical TV

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show it's the the the the biggest

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audience in Brazil since 1973

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and I saw this report

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in Fantastical Show broadcast by hedgy

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global network was Rodriguez in the

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report yes okay okay the first the first

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show and then right after that on next

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day Monday

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I called up my friends from our group

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sicko and said did you hear that

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well maybe we should have this meeting

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and then we can establish what we can do

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to help to get involved with this

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because it is in Minnesota state is

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about 300 kilometers far from Belarus

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Orange

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okay so we have this being in my

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apartment it's because I live alone I

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don't have any kids I'm not married

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and then

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we considering that I'm from today's

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Corazon so I know the south of Nina

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Jedis it would be easier for me to take

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care of this investigation to go there

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and find out what was going on

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so that's what I did the day after so

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I'm talking about Tuesday I went back to

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for 19 years now so I went there

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I checked the list I'm in the the

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telephone list because I didn't know how

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to find didn't know him

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so I called him and said I'm pakachini

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from

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wow how good

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and I said I would like to need to to to

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understand what's going on he said okay

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how about tomorrow

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okay tomorrow after lunch but before

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going to Tres grandsons I called some

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friends go into Virginia I called some

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friends from Belgium

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friends

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means three hearts it's the place where

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palette the famous soccer player was

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born

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some friends I said could you please

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check it out for me police people army

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people because it's a small town 60 60

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000 people Virginia no please also my

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hometown

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okay so I called some friends said could

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you please check around stick our noses

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around there I'll be there tomorrow okay

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okay so I got home

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talk to Mom call him we set this meeting

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for the next day

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so I was just there suddenly a friend of

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mine called and said

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listen buddy as we've seen Brazil the

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Jaguar is going to have some water like

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we say

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agua is awesome

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at that time uh it was possible for me

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to meet the first military Witness

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all right yes at that time

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easy like this I was surprised so we had

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this secret meeting

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and I met this guy and I recorded him

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for 42 minutes of recording yes 42

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minutes and then he said

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that on January the 20th the fireman

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Department had been involved with the

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capture of this weird creature

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down in this place down in the woods in

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this place in Virginia and he told me

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the whole story that the creature was

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kind of Daisy

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he's a catcher

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and and the whole thing okay

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so how did the military become involved

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in the first place oh we're gonna reach

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that point all right so

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uh this military I'm calling the

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military in general because it can be

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somebody from the fire department from

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the military police we have in Brazil

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and from the Army so we are talking

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about 5 000 people in that area so it's

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going to be hard to spawn who's the guy

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who's talking to me who are the guys

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because I did I talked to 14. okay okay

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so that was the first one so he told me

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everything the fire department was

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called to because in Brazil

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um problems with Mad Dogs with snakes

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sometimes we have some or bees or some

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or some wasp something like that you

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call the fire departments their

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responsibility

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so somebody called the fire department

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and say well we have this weird thing

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here it might be a different monkey or

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something like that could you please

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take care of the thing this situation so

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the fire department major uhiel

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was in charge in Virginia at that time

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so he said you is this is this major

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martial is he the major in the fire

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department yeah but he he was uh

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um the most graduated graduated official

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there high ranking high ranking yeah so

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he was commanding the fire department at

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that time now his impossible another

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town about one hour far from Virginia so

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major said oh you you guys four of them

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you go there and you take care of the

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situation they took this net

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and gloves and went there to capture

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this weird monkey

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but suddenly they called from the

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reading and said uh major you better

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come here because

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we have this bizarre weird thing and

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also the army

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the the Tres Tres corazones Army

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it's already here with a track so major

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went there

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isn't it interesting so we're going to

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reach to a very interesting point so

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major win there when he got there

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and got to know that the sport guys went

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down this incline this this hill down

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there the woods and capture a very weird

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thing like big hand big brown eyes local

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bills

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um the scheme looked like somebody has

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painted with some oil or something like

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that it was a little glowing not really

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glowing you know when we don't have oil

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the shiny like oil yeah like that so and

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this let's be clear this is the 20th of

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January yes we're talking about 10 A.M

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all right no it was a Saturday okay I

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in our story so long long theme arms I

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mean going down the knees like this

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and short thin legs Big Foot

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big feet heaven have toes what do they

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have toes at that time you couldn't get

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this information okay I got this later

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and uh a very very strong smell of

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ammoniac I don't know how you say it was

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saying

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yes and do you have any closer

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no nothing very very interesting it was

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naked

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no

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tall

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well it was about in Brazil weekly

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metric sure hey yes the metrics show us

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Canada too it is about uh

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160 centimeters we say one meter and

287
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sixties and four feet yeah okay

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how many fingers at that time we didn't

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have this information because it was

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really fast operation they got their

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surrounded the creature

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and through the net own the creature

293
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grabbed it and went up this it this hill

294
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this inclined thing to go to the to the

295
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street up there and the creature was

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alive and it was

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it was the only thing they could hear at

298
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that time there was no blood they didn't

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image no damage no but the creature was

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easy it was easy to capture not not he

301
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wasn't running away no it was a piece of

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cake yeah okay so I recorded it can I

303
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just this might be like that as I as I

304
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understand that yesterday there was

305
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taught that some children had been

306
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throwing okay I was just going to this

307
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point okay so this inclined place here

308
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so we have this little Plateau as we say

309
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in Portuguese here before going down

310
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okay the end of this District

311
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then you go down the scale the woods and

312
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then you have Santana District the girls

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at that time was were coming from that

314
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District

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that's how it happened okay but going

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back

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at this place here before going down to

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the woods six civilians

319
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and among them three kids were just

320
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there throwing rocks on the creature and

321
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the creek this creature was in the

322
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middle of this incline play at the hill

323
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before going down to the to the woods it

324
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was here in the middle so the kids I

325
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don't know why kids do that sometimes

326
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before the fire officials got yes they

327
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were there when the firemen got there I

328
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said please could you please yes step

329
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back because we're working here uniform

330
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you know people yes yes I'm sorry I'm

331
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sorry so they put these people away but

332
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we know it was six civilians they

333
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thought they threw some rocks on the

334
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creature and then it went down the woods

335
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so the firemen went there and captured

336
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okay 42 minutes

337
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for recording with this guy

338
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could you tell me the story so I can

339
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understand what's going on so he told me

340
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that the girls and then I think you'll

341
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know the story so the girls were going

342
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home from work they work as a maid so

343
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they were cleaning somebody's house

344
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there and Daddy's District

345
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so in order to make this shortcut

346
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because from their District they can go

347
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like jaji and daddy is here Santana is

348
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here Santana District the woods here

349
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so they have to take this route like

350
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this

351
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to reach the road not the road the

352
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street in here

353
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so they saw this creature around here on

354
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their way home okay I'm dead Okay okay

355
00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:40,079
so what what did they did they see at

356
00:16:47,150 --> 00:16:43,079
that time this this creature

357
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like this one hand between the leg

358
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the other hand behind here

359
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facing the ground like this like it's

360
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trying to hide yes and

361
00:17:01,730 --> 00:16:59,820
all of a sudden one of the girls Liliana

362
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is 16 years old girl

363
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she saw that and she screamed and the

364
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creature did like this

365
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oh it was enough

366
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:11,280
they thought it was the devil

367
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:13,679
big brown eyes

368
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brown skin dark brown skin like somebody

369
00:17:21,890 --> 00:17:19,319
has put some oil on that

370
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and the eye color was red is that right

371
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the eyes big round big round and red

372
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eyes so this is now 3 30 in the

373
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afternoon yes so the girls saw the super

374
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:35,880
creature yes that's the point didn't

375
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:38,640
hear from me about the tape I had

376
00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:39,840
recorded

377
00:17:45,169 --> 00:17:41,700
day before so this is creature number

378
00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:45,179
two probably okay so I went through your

379
00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:48,600
four yeah okay so yeah

380
00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:51,720
um they sold this creature there this

381
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,320
cream and they run away I want one more

382
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:57,600
point we know from this military that

383
00:18:02,210 --> 00:18:00,960
the fireman gave the creature the first

384
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creature

385
00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:05,400
to the this Army troop it was three of

386
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them two sergeants in one major

387
00:18:12,190 --> 00:18:09,799
during this

388
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:12,200
Mercedes-Benz

389
00:18:19,789 --> 00:18:16,320
c1418 model as we say in Brazil with

390
00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:19,799
some camouflage painting on on the track

391
00:18:26,330 --> 00:18:23,400
and the canvas stuff behind where you

392
00:18:29,090 --> 00:18:26,340
can put the troops down there

393
00:18:31,789 --> 00:18:29,100
well so they put this creature the first

394
00:18:35,690 --> 00:18:31,799
one they put in this one meter

395
00:18:38,330 --> 00:18:35,700
uh square meter wood box

396
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:38,340
uh just with the net and everything just

397
00:18:45,770 --> 00:18:41,520
put the creature in there and cover this

398
00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:45,780
with a piece of canvas a bag canvas bag

399
00:18:51,529 --> 00:18:49,740
scan from from outside the truck you can

400
00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:51,539
hear this

401
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:54,260
and just they just took it away

402
00:19:00,049 --> 00:18:57,360
sound where we have this Army school

403
00:19:01,810 --> 00:19:00,059
it's the biggest in South America they

404
00:19:05,950 --> 00:19:01,820
have this

405
00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:05,960
this uh war machine there I mean

406
00:19:11,690 --> 00:19:09,960
Engineers people tanks and machine guns

407
00:19:14,029 --> 00:19:11,700
and everything it's a big place it's

408
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:14,039
just huge they have all this war things

409
00:19:17,210 --> 00:19:14,940
there

410
00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:17,220
so

411
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,620
for us it's very uh almost impossible to

412
00:19:28,610 --> 00:19:24,720
believe that

413
00:19:30,590 --> 00:19:28,620
the military so get it took it away 10

414
00:19:33,230 --> 00:19:30,600
p.m in the morning

415
00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:33,240
and brought it back to put in that place

416
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:36,600
so the girls to see the creature no of

417
00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:37,919
course not talking about the second one

418
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,260
right yeah I didn't know this at that

419
00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:42,720
time so I heard him he explained

420
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,000
everything he was a little lost like you

421
00:19:49,150 --> 00:19:47,280
know getting pieces from a puzzle and

422
00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:49,160
couldn't get a link

423
00:19:54,909 --> 00:19:52,260
so I just heard the story I said yeah

424
00:19:58,010 --> 00:19:54,919
okay man so now let me tell you my story

425
00:19:59,630 --> 00:19:58,020
and at that time we realized that we

426
00:20:01,730 --> 00:19:59,640
were talking about two preachers okay

427
00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:01,740
many things happened many things

428
00:20:08,770 --> 00:20:03,900
happened many you were full sightings

429
00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:08,780
for over 12 cities around Virginia about

430
00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:12,840
115 kilometers far from Virginia many

431
00:20:26,110 --> 00:20:13,700
different

432
00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:30,770
okay around how big a town is regime I

433
00:20:37,810 --> 00:20:35,820
they have a 100 180 000 no okay so it's

434
00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:37,820
a city it is

435
00:20:42,890 --> 00:20:41,160
yes very industrial city they have many

436
00:20:46,190 --> 00:20:42,900
multinational companies they're very

437
00:20:50,090 --> 00:20:46,200
rich city okay fancy people fancy cars

438
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,100
imported cars not jungle areas no way no

439
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,080
way Minister United States is a very

440
00:20:57,289 --> 00:20:54,960
developed State you know so after the

441
00:20:58,690 --> 00:20:57,299
girls saw this creature then what well

442
00:21:08,029 --> 00:20:58,700
so

443
00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:08,039
amongst and their mom said Mrs Louisa

444
00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:11,640
uh she said uh well we're Catholic

445
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:14,280
Family we go to church every week

446
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,559
if the devil is showing up to you you

447
00:21:21,169 --> 00:21:18,240
have to show up to me

448
00:21:23,090 --> 00:21:21,179
so he got she got a ride with this with

449
00:21:25,490 --> 00:21:23,100
his friend this neighbor and went there

450
00:21:27,650 --> 00:21:25,500
when she got there moments later she

451
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:27,660
didn't see anything but she could feel

452
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:31,740
this very strong smell of ammonia okay

453
00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:36,480
and that's fine into food Prince you

454
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:39,179
know or because this voice is it's just

455
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,799
an empty place where they're going to

456
00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:43,760
build some house sometime so we had just

457
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:46,980
uh grass a little grass here and there

458
00:21:54,289 --> 00:21:51,200
and mud yeah okay so she saw these two

459
00:21:57,529 --> 00:21:54,299
Footprints unusual obviously or she

460
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:57,539
wouldn't have what shape oh show us

461
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,960
again hold that up like that like that I

462
00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:03,200
can do this Mr Spock can do it better

463
00:22:10,669 --> 00:22:07,740
like this like v-shape yeah so uh-huh

464
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:10,679
well so we had many many UFO side

465
00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:13,080
Virginia was just going insane everybody

466
00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:15,900
every night every single night people on

467
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,880
the street I'm talking about hundreds of

468
00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:20,159
people going on the streets seeing

469
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:22,440
objects filming we have the films how

470
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:25,500
did the media in Virginia the newspapers

471
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,240
radio television how are they treating

472
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:29,760
the subject well they're just on our

473
00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:33,120
side oh okay this was not a ridicules no

474
00:22:37,250 --> 00:22:35,460
way no way that's good because that set

475
00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:37,260
the stage then for them to give Fair

476
00:22:41,870 --> 00:22:39,780
coverage to whatever yes so they're just

477
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:41,880
working we're working together great

478
00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:45,299
okay okay just below this story in this

479
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:47,460
country at that time

480
00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:50,760
so many witnesses having having uh their

481
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:53,159
cars uh

482
00:22:59,810 --> 00:22:56,400
followed by strange luminous objects

483
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,820
some of them going from from left to

484
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,679
right that then and vice versa some of

485
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:04,320
them stopping in front of the cars some

486
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:06,780
of them following the cars like like

487
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:09,000
close range like this the car going and

488
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:12,179
the object going above the car like this

489
00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:14,820
a doctor has passed through this

490
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,179
experience doctors people uh a

491
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,700
businessmen many many different people

492
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:22,880
we talk about uh

493
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:27,539
65 67 different Witnesses always on a

494
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,020
short period of time yes but the point

495
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:33,360
is that staying is still happening it

496
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,960
didn't stop not yet okay so now we got

497
00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:39,360
two bodies we well we've been captured

498
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:40,200
wait a minute wait a minute we're

499
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:41,940
jumping ahead to the moment the girls at

500
00:23:45,649 --> 00:23:43,380
the side that's right she's seen the

501
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,659
footprints okay go ahead got a strong

502
00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:47,640
smell of ammonia yeah all right go ahead

503
00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:50,280
okay many beautiful signs

504
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,080
well one day I was just I had this call

505
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:57,120
from a man saying I would like to report

506
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:00,059
a signing could you meet in this place

507
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,840
downtown so I said okay so I went to

508
00:24:09,049 --> 00:24:05,760
this place to meet this guy that I

509
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,059
didn't know I just parked the car A

510
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:11,820
friend of mine when I was young

511
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:14,340
so only parking the car across the city

512
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,220
and said God sent you here I need to

513
00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:18,480
talk to you

514
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:20,820
so what because I know a military who

515
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,820
wants to talk to you he was afraid but

516
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,679
now he he knows that this is really

517
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:27,840
serious and he wants to talk and also

518
00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:30,179
they said he's my friend because I was

519
00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:31,860
in television at that time I was in the

520
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:34,020
newspapers magazines

521
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,120
because we blew the story

522
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:39,120
to the rest of the country so we said

523
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:41,940
this secret meeting a different one I'm

524
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,760
talking about the second one right so he

525
00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:47,159
said that this Convoy

526
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,280
on January the 22nd

527
00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:54,000
came from trees to Virginia three

528
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:57,659
trucks first one was was driven by a

529
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:00,900
soldier silhou second one by purple

530
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:05,520
vasado third one by Soldier de Melo they

531
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,320
went to Virginia

532
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:09,900
and they followed this this Volkswagen

533
00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:11,940
Bug a yellow one

534
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,340
with the lieutenant from the Secret

535
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:16,320
Service of the army the Army Secret

536
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:17,340
Service

537
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:21,360
so this guy called each one of them to

538
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:23,880
go with him following him

539
00:25:27,409 --> 00:25:26,100
downtown Virginia going to many

540
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:27,419
different places

541
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:30,059
shopping at humanitas hospital

542
00:25:35,390 --> 00:25:32,940
they they do many kinds of surgeries

543
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:35,400
there it's a very nice hospital and we

544
00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:38,640
went into this hospital it's in a place

545
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:41,640
almost going out Virginia so it it's

546
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:43,140
nearly

547
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:43,980
um

548
00:25:51,470 --> 00:25:49,559
area from there you can go to the road

549
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:51,480
to the road the main road to go to

550
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:53,880
tresco like this you don't have to go

551
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:56,820
downtown you have a specific Street

552
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,440
where you go

553
00:26:01,370 --> 00:26:00,659
and then you reach the road the main

554
00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:01,380
road

555
00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:03,299
so they went there

556
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:06,360
when each one of them so what happened

557
00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:09,299
they saw more than 15

558
00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:10,679
doctors

559
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:13,140
in the backyard okay they made the

560
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,760
Maneuvers at the hospital at the

561
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:16,320
hospital they made the Maneuvers and

562
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:20,159
they went reverse if I'm making myself

563
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:21,179
clear

564
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,100
backed up back up through this big gate

565
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:29,039
and stop the truck

566
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:31,860
fitting for more than 15 different

567
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,740
doctors with these doctors over these

568
00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:36,600
doctors and they could have been doctors

569
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,720
and nurses these were all doctors yes

570
00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:41,820
because we checked that thing

571
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:43,860
later so this hospital has a lot of

572
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:46,500
doctors for one Hospital yes

573
00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:49,320
but the point is in the backyard they

574
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:54,539
saw uh fire firemen uh vehicle the

575
00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:57,960
military police vehicle many people

576
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:00,179
with uniforms from the fireman

577
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:03,059
Department many people from the military

578
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:04,380
police

579
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,980
with specific uniform this guy is

580
00:27:13,149 --> 00:27:10,320
looking like doctors with how do you

581
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:13,159
call that thing we say stethoscopy

582
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:16,799
the heart with the stethoscopes hanging

583
00:27:21,649 --> 00:27:19,260
around their necks with that white

584
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:21,659
uniform they're playing here and that

585
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,659
mask and the smell was just terrible

586
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:27,120
burning the noses because it was so

587
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,320
awful they were all wearing masks yes

588
00:27:38,450 --> 00:27:33,840
and tell me you guys what smell we were

589
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:38,460
talking about ammonia yeah so

590
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:41,279
what they saw this the smooth this

591
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:43,860
military that I taught one thing he knew

592
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,740
he knew about this

593
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,480
I don't want to say that he was involved

594
00:27:52,810 --> 00:27:50,880
because if you tell this right France

595
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:52,820
the guy goes to the jail no no no no

596
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:55,679
okay yeah it's part of this operation

597
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:00,179
so he saw this uh wood box

598
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:03,419
with this creature lying on

599
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:06,120
okay half of the Box because the other

600
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,059
half was inside the place there

601
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:11,820
oh they had this three parts you know

602
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:13,740
like this

603
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,640
on the ground with this wood box laying

604
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:19,760
over okay okay

605
00:28:26,169 --> 00:28:23,520
yes yes okay so if they saw this

606
00:28:30,010 --> 00:28:26,179
creature there and how it looked like

607
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,020
like somebody who has painted with oil

608
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,580
big round

609
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:34,320
ugly eyes

610
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,120
three

611
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:38,400
things on the head because the girl saw

612
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:40,200
these three different things on the head

613
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:41,880
but maybe there are bumps or something

614
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:43,620
like that I don't know how you call that

615
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:46,799
we don't either yeah go ahead okay so

616
00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:51,120
three fingers ah three fingers short

617
00:28:57,950 --> 00:28:55,500
yeah no kind of long three no sun no

618
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:57,960
thumb okay three

619
00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:00,539
and the creature was like flying like

620
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:03,659
this with the the legs a little bit like

621
00:29:09,529 --> 00:29:06,720
this so he could see the boot

622
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,539
the feet I mean like this yeah

623
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:12,000
does that mean that the box was too

624
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:15,720
short for the creature to lay flat

625
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,220
excuse me

626
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,279
no it was flat Oh you mean the creature

627
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,320
was bigger than the Box a little bit yes

628
00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,020
it was only half of the Box the other

629
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:28,020
half that would be covering this one it

630
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:29,940
wasn't there yet but was it on a

631
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:32,700
diagonal creature for example or I'm

632
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:34,140
just trying to get a handle on sides

633
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:35,340
okay

634
00:29:40,150 --> 00:29:38,399
to give it an idea it was like

635
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:40,160
this

636
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,320
two tripod thing and the creature was

637
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:51,539
like here

638
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:54,179
understand yeah so they needed the other

639
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:58,679
half to over and law delay yes the other

640
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:00,899
half wasn't there yet was inside the

641
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,179
hospital okay okay was this creature

642
00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:05,520
alive no it was dead

643
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,039
it was a can you tell how it was dead

644
00:30:13,789 --> 00:30:10,620
well because it didn't move and also the

645
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:13,799
doctor came over here with this how'd

646
00:30:17,289 --> 00:30:15,480
you call that thing apple is a sharp

647
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,299
knife no no no

648
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,159
do you have a pencil mayor Boro

649
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:22,740
dispensive you know that thing like this

650
00:30:29,769 --> 00:30:25,799
the doctors use to get cotton on salt

651
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:29,779
forceps yeah forceps okay he came here

652
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:32,220
opened this little it wasn't a mouth was

653
00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:36,899
a slit oh just asleep open this and

654
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:40,919
grab the tongue and just pull the pulled

655
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:43,799
out of the mouth like this it was black

656
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:47,760
like a ribbon black and it inflamed like

657
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,740
a ribbon why did he do that do you think

658
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:52,080
I don't know he was examining or

659
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:53,159
something like that

660
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:56,039
so many people in the backyard that was

661
00:31:02,529 --> 00:30:59,220
this guy this this Lieutenant we call S2

662
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:02,539
it means he belongs to the the the

663
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:05,220
Army's secret service yeah that wasn't

664
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:09,659
billions in the U.S okay uh uh he was

665
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,539
filming the whole thing this guy with

666
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:15,600
this JVC camera and we filmed the doctor

667
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:18,140
pulling there on that thing

668
00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:23,710
it was black and then he just

669
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:30,110
he was

670
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,340
did it look like a snake's tongue like

671
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:35,279
forked or uh no he couldn't see that

672
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:37,500
okay it was black and fling like a

673
00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:40,200
ribbon okay like a frog catches bugs

674
00:31:45,889 --> 00:31:43,559
yeah yeah something like that okay

675
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:50,149
the knees and this part of the legs were

676
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:51,240
wounded

677
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:54,120
I I also asked it was it was a shot it

678
00:32:00,529 --> 00:31:57,659
was knife or it was a head

679
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:00,539
like you have scratched yeah abrasions

680
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:03,720
yes here in the knees and all over here

681
00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:07,919
okay both of the legs so no sexual

682
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:12,419
organs no it was naked okay no nipples

683
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:16,559
no nipples nothing belly button

684
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:20,279
no no belly button and the head was big

685
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:22,140
and bigger than ours

686
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:24,840
okay he had like this with just three

687
00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:29,640
bumps or horns or things here

688
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:32,360
so they seem to have bones

689
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,120
I don't know they seem to be said so

690
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:38,159
there was a joint here he has a joint is

691
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:39,960
there an elbow you couldn't see because

692
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,140
the creature was this way okay the legs

693
00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:45,899
were this way it was really hard to say

694
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:47,720
when when the the skin is like this

695
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:51,299
wrinkled wrinkled here very wrinkled

696
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,140
here on the knees okay so they covered

697
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:58,159
up we locked it

698
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,659
to the Army School

699
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:04,080
well it was in January the 22nd the 23rd

700
00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:08,279
they went to Campinas the same Convoy we

701
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:13,640
had this uh operation control by Coronel

702
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:17,279
Lieutenant Cornell Olympus he was there

703
00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:20,220
in the hospital Coronel Olympic was

704
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:22,580
there he was in charge of this operation

705
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:25,860
also Lieutenant's value was involved

706
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,480
captain hamidis and Sergeant Pedroza

707
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:33,120
Sergeant Pedroza went to convenience

708
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:37,039
with this Convoy how far uh four hours

709
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:40,200
Campinas is in Sao Paulo State oh okay

710
00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:43,140
sometime okay because companions we have

711
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:46,460
only copy University it's a very

712
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:48,779
Advanced place we have high tech

713
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:50,580
knowledge there many things

714
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:53,940
so we know because the guy who was

715
00:33:57,470 --> 00:33:55,860
involved in this operation went to

716
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,480
campaigners in this Convoy that's why we

717
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:00,480
know okay but please don't don't talk

718
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,179
about this we put the guy in jail yeah

719
00:34:07,629 --> 00:34:04,799
so

720
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:07,639
they went to campaigners

721
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:11,460
uh they they just stopped the trucks the

722
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:14,700
Convoy in another military facility they

723
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:16,080
have there

724
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,540
damn this is where the alien that

725
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:20,460
they're taking from the hospital yes all

726
00:34:25,629 --> 00:34:22,379
the creatures well by now we're talking

727
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:25,639
by now we're talking about two yeah okay

728
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,119
so uh the point is uh then we will go

729
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:33,599
back to Campinas later my my brother uh

730
00:34:38,329 --> 00:34:34,980
Eduardo

731
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:38,339
11 months older than me he is now a

732
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:41,599
doctor he's got his PhD degree

733
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,179
uh inconvenience so we know about

734
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:47,099
Campinas and many other things there

735
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,540
because of him okay but then we had many

736
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,280
calls many people many Clues people

737
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:55,800
calling people talking

738
00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:59,640
and then a lawyer came up and said ah I

739
00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:01,560
need to make this statement to you

740
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,660
I was so afraid you know because of the

741
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,400
militaries these people they're not easy

742
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:08,160
but now I'm seeing that you have been

743
00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:10,020
working really hard I want to tell you

744
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:11,160
something

745
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:14,460
at that time he couldn't specif uh be

746
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:17,160
specific about the date but he said at

747
00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:20,280
that time many people I was talking

748
00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:22,200
about John Gian daddy District in

749
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:24,180
Santana District here the woods here

750
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:27,260
where the scripture was captured 10 AM

751
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:29,460
by the fireman

752
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:31,619
he lives here in Central and from

753
00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:34,020
Santana his soul

754
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:37,220
on the street here for many days

755
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,339
uh army trucks riding around

756
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:44,400
and he was so curious that one of that

757
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:47,460
those days he went out there at

758
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,839
lunchtime

759
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:51,119
to see what was what was going on from

760
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:54,060
here I mean that Plateau place before

761
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,839
going down the hill to the woods he saw

762
00:36:04,810 --> 00:36:00,240
seven

763
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:04,820
army people with that camouflage uniform

764
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,160
holding rifles we have we have this fall

765
00:36:13,329 --> 00:36:10,400
hype rifle in Brazil

766
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:13,339
uh seven

767
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:18,420
7.62 millimeters you you uh people from

768
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,140
England use that kind of uh caliber in

769
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:25,140
in Falklands War it's the same one all

770
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:27,480
right so that's the the the official

771
00:36:37,849 --> 00:36:32,820
caliber of the South London rifle SLR

772
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:37,859
so uh he saw the seven guys online going

773
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:40,980
because we have we have the sports here

774
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:43,740
okay but here is faster you have some

775
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,140
cattle here they're kind of a flat place

776
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:49,200
here so they came from here from the

777
00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:52,200
right to the left into the woods

778
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,540
online like this like they were

779
00:37:03,410 --> 00:36:58,680
sweeping something you know what I mean

780
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:03,420
going this way okay this this lawyer

781
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:08,700
from up here saw this group going inside

782
00:37:12,829 --> 00:37:11,099
so a few moments later he heard three

783
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:12,839
shots

784
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:16,619
and then

785
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:19,560
some moments later he saw the same group

786
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:23,880
coming out from the woods with two bags

787
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:27,240
one of the bags canvas bag

788
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:29,460
they use for camping one of the bags

789
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:32,040
something was moving inside

790
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:35,940
the other one nothing was moving

791
00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:39,060
many people from Santana districts saw

792
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:41,060
these guys here too I'm talking about 11

793
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:44,280
Witnesses who saw from Santa and he was

794
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:45,540
up here

795
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:48,119
before going down the hill was he in a

796
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:51,000
car or just walking no he stopped the

797
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:53,160
car and went out to see what was going

798
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,280
on why that army truck was riding around

799
00:38:01,730 --> 00:37:59,520
there for some days at that time so he

800
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:01,740
was curious he went there he didn't know

801
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:02,640
anything

802
00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:07,260
so then we have this question what day

803
00:38:11,690 --> 00:38:10,140
was this Ah that's the point he wasn't a

804
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:11,700
specific he said he wasn't around that

805
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:13,740
time but we know it's specific because

806
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:15,780
he couldn't remember but what does what

807
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:17,640
it is here well you mentioned that there

808
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,520
were 11 other Witnesses surely one of

809
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,560
those must have known the date no yes

810
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:24,720
but that's what we asked they couldn't

811
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:27,780
be specific either so they said we're

812
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:31,260
talking about either the 20th of yes yes

813
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:34,200
we're talking about uh maybe we can be

814
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,020
Saturday or Sunday no probably we were

815
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:39,240
we are talking about days before the

816
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,060
20th probably as we understood at that

817
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:44,400
time we're talking about the 18th or the

818
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:47,339
19th or something like that or maybe the

819
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,700
20th but they saw at that when I say at

820
00:38:54,730 --> 00:38:52,800
that time because the TV shows were

821
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:54,740
showing that the the the the the

822
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,020
programs and and

823
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:00,839
um reporting January the 20th so people

824
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:02,520
talk about their time is January the

825
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:05,099
20th they couldn't be specific but then

826
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:13,730
why this military people with camel this

827
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:16,800
camouflage uniform going inside the

828
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,220
woods heard the shots coming out with

829
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:22,800
these things with this bags

830
00:39:26,810 --> 00:39:25,260
what happened we didn't know at that

831
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:26,820
time okay

832
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:29,820
but are we talking about two more

833
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,880
creatures we didn't know at that time

834
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:35,040
so let's go back to the the very

835
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:36,359
beginning

836
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:38,460
so we have here

837
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:40,920
the street

838
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:46,140
District then you go down the hill and

839
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:53,329
three blocks the girls sold the creature

840
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:54,900
here

841
00:40:03,349 --> 00:39:57,780
it was

842
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:03,359
January the 20th

843
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:06,540
okay the fireman has captured the first

844
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:12,420
one January the 20th 10 30 A.M

845
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:13,740
so

846
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:17,040
isn't it strange what the hell is this

847
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,280
creature doing here it just it doesn't

848
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:22,500
make any sense because intelligent

849
00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:25,079
people coming from space with spacecraft

850
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:27,900
or things like that being here just to

851
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:29,460
be captured like

852
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:32,460
with no clothes no tools I take it no

853
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:35,000
objects nothing and dizzy yeah

854
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:39,180
defenseless I mean you see anything

855
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,780
why why this thing we're doing here for

856
00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:45,359
what and where where's the woods that

857
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:48,660
that they that they swept and shot okay

858
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,660
that's down there they came from here

859
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:53,940
into the woods and what time of day was

860
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,660
that I was uh lunch time okay okay so

861
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:03,599
since the first one was given

862
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:06,119
directly to the Army truck at that time

863
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:07,980
and we know the people involved we know

864
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:12,530
and

865
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:17,820
that the girls saw probably going to go

866
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:20,339
away yes probably this is the one who

867
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:22,079
went to the hospital

868
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:25,260
probably probably this is the one that

869
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:28,320
this Army Convoy took from the hospital

870
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:31,079
probably why because we know from the

871
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:33,300
military police witness and how to get

872
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:34,920
to the hospital

873
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:37,380
well I'm gonna tell because I met this

874
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:39,480
other friend who said uh God sent you

875
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:41,220
here I want to introduce it to a

876
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,780
military who wants to talk to you okay

877
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:44,640
this guy told me

878
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:47,220
and then

879
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:48,300
um

880
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:50,760
uh we know that the military the second

881
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:53,400
one was captured at January the 20th

882
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:57,900
around 11 pm by the military police and

883
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:00,780
the fireman but at that time they took

884
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:04,740
their own cars not official Vehicles own

885
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,880
cars

886
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,119
regular clothing went there

887
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:11,640
surrounded the area and captured the one

888
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,760
so the girls I've seen this the mother's

889
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:16,560
gone back because we broke up from yeah

890
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,660
but this is all grass here High Grass

891
00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:20,880
like this probably just found the strong

892
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:22,740
smell of ammonia I never saw the

893
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:25,619
creature again the mothers the girl's

894
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,099
mother yes we're talking here yes

895
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:31,380
okay so she saw the creature and the

896
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:34,140
creature it run off no the girl saw the

897
00:42:38,589 --> 00:42:35,640
creature the mother didn't see anything

898
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:38,599
but she saw Footprints

899
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:41,520
so that creature was still at large

900
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:44,520
you're now saying that that creature was

901
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,160
later captured around 11 p.m on the

902
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:49,859
night of the 20th yeah yes because the

903
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:51,420
five Crews came back in their own

904
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:54,540
Vehicles were they was this out of

905
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:57,000
kindness or or was it curiosity or had

906
00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:59,160
they been sent back there well because

907
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,500
probably somebody called them in Brazil

908
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:03,900
in the United States is 9 11 in Brazil

909
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,700
it's 190. you call the police okay so

910
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:11,119
probably somebody

911
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:14,040
had called the police or the firemen at

912
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:16,440
that time the fact is

913
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,900
these guys went there and then we'd go

914
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:20,880
through this very important thing one of

915
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:23,640
the guys somehow got involved with the

916
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,660
creature

917
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:27,119
he went there the policeman this one

918
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,060
this one here wasn't so easy to to be

919
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:32,400
captured so the guy's so rounded the

920
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:36,540
creature just you know ran away they go

921
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:37,859
there again surrounded the creature

922
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:41,160
again a little difficult to be captured

923
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:44,880
but somehow this guy one of the

924
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,260
policemen

925
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:48,480
got involved with the preacher this guy

926
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:51,720
died two days later

927
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:55,520
how come well

928
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,260
this policeman's death I mean presumably

929
00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:01,319
this has all been recorded we you know

930
00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:04,380
that that there must be records records

931
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:07,619
of things yeah no because there they are

932
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:10,200
covering this whole story and this man

933
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:11,940
must have a family he must have oh I'm

934
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:13,800
gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you so

935
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:17,700
they took this guy to the regional

936
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,000
hospital the biggest one not the most

937
00:44:25,809 --> 00:44:22,560
important one but it's the biggest one

938
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:27,530
they

939
00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,700
he made this

940
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:32,040
um how'd you say

941
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,140
somebody dies you have to to have a

942
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:36,900
death certificate oh a death certificate

943
00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:39,839
yes saying that it was pneumonia

944
00:44:45,970 --> 00:44:43,260
ah the family for an odyssey they said

945
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:45,980
no way to go home very simple people

946
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,859
military people humble people they go

947
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:51,599
there and say well what happened to my

948
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,599
to my son while he was pneumonia and

949
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:57,480
that's it we know where they buried the

950
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,420
body we know the family we talk to the

951
00:45:11,470 --> 00:45:03,839
family they want to to go to human yes

952
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:13,790
we're gonna do this as soon as we can

953
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:15,960
okay then

954
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:18,960
we have one guy that was it because of

955
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,780
some bacteria some virus we didn't know

956
00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:24,240
at that time the fact that is that one

957
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:27,000
man one policeman died

958
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:31,260
in in this operation okay well it's I

959
00:45:35,329 --> 00:45:32,520
don't know if you remember but I was

960
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:35,339
saying that in January the 19th

961
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:39,599
this guy in this form twin kilometers

962
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:42,960
one from Virginia so this strange object

963
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:45,660
that he he thought it could be a

964
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:49,380
submarine flying over yeah the the field

965
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:54,359
it was 19. what did he say he said

966
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:57,480
no lights no smell no somebody has some

967
00:46:02,809 --> 00:46:01,200
miss or thought around we thought that

968
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:02,819
that could be camouflaged because in

969
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:04,980
South America it's good

970
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:08,280
and probably he was using some

971
00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:11,400
camouflage you know like putting some

972
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:13,380
fog around the ship or something like

973
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:14,940
that okay

974
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:17,640
some days later we had this skull from

975
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:22,020
an air force of officers saying that

976
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:24,900
Brazilian yes saying that

977
00:46:31,609 --> 00:46:28,200
the Brazilian Raiders had tracked many

978
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,619
UFOs during that time and they are still

979
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:33,119
tracking

980
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:35,940
UFOs and then we go straight to the

981
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:37,800
point that I want

982
00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:40,680
somehow the Americans the United States

983
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:42,180
government

984
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:46,319
uh so the Brazilian militaries about

985
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:51,119
this UFOs coming to our country

986
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:53,400
and because it was so funny how come the

987
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,619
army people were so ready to do this

988
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,720
whole operation to cover it up how do

989
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,040
you know the Americans were involved

990
00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:01,680
because this this guy from the Brazilian

991
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,260
Air Force

992
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:06,480
is I I can't tell you the name somebody

993
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:10,140
who's contacted you yes spontaneously he

994
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:13,260
called because he said I can't let it go

995
00:47:17,809 --> 00:47:14,520
this way

996
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:17,819
I can't keep my mouth shut it was the

997
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:20,640
Americans they told the Brazilians they

998
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:24,319
tracked this UFOs coming into our planet

999
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:27,540
they told the Brazilian Army

1000
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:30,660
and what did they say they said we're

1001
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:32,940
tracking some object

1002
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:36,300
or we have two options it landed or it

1003
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:40,200
crashed because it didn't it didn't uh

1004
00:47:44,329 --> 00:47:43,500
it didn't rise again right so the point

1005
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:44,339
is

1006
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:48,780
we have now a military person from the

1007
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:51,720
Army school who sold the wreckage we're

1008
00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:55,260
talking about a UFO crash now we can't

1009
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:00,359
understand a little bit of this uh uh Mr

1010
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:03,380
Friedman who was talking about the the

1011
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:06,180
Roswell case maybe we have this little

1012
00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:09,540
Roswell case down in Virginia now things

1013
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:11,819
are making sense because

1014
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:13,740
what is this creature doing here when

1015
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,960
the when the girls saw it probably it

1016
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:18,180
was defending his its life

1017
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,000
because military was shot in

1018
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:23,280
some of its friends down here in the

1019
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,020
woods because it doesn't make any sense

1020
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:28,079
how come join here what and what these

1021
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,940
creatures were doing in the woods

1022
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,000
probably because

1023
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:35,280
there are there is spacecraft crashed

1024
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:38,640
around here the problem is this one that

1025
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:42,240
this form man former Soul flying over

1026
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:44,700
the field in January the 19th how far

1027
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:47,940
away is that 10 kilometers and if you go

1028
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:49,740
straight it's about one and a half or

1029
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:51,000
two kilometers

1030
00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:54,540
so probably this Vlog that we thought

1031
00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:57,300
could be camouflage was something going

1032
00:49:02,930 --> 00:48:59,940
wrong some tilt something going wrong

1033
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:02,940
with the spacecraft it wasn't a big one

1034
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:05,880
it was like a micro bus as we say in

1035
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:10,140
Brazil and it had this shape like this

1036
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,420
why he thought he was a submarine

1037
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:14,640
because it was long like this with this

1038
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:18,300
little Dome here something like this

1039
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:22,200
like this yeah probably this thing was

1040
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:28,069
was a fog around here wasn't camouflage

1041
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,900
so in the Roswell case as you know Mr

1042
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:32,160
Friedman

1043
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:36,119
yeah submarine yes five meters five

1044
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:37,520
meters

1045
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:41,099
so what it seems is that that thing

1046
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:42,480
probably

1047
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:45,599
was not surveying the area to drop these

1048
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,460
creatures and we thought at the very

1049
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,400
beginning probably this this uh

1050
00:49:56,109 --> 00:49:53,040
spacecraft was having some problems

1051
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:56,119
something was going wrong and this thing

1052
00:50:02,089 --> 00:49:59,339
crashed probably it didn't break in many

1053
00:50:04,970 --> 00:50:02,099
pieces in some pieces the fact is not

1054
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,980
open yes but we still have another

1055
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:07,520
question here yes

1056
00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:10,319
nothing I've heard so far would lead me

1057
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:12,599
to believe that these creatures were

1058
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:14,099
other than

1059
00:50:20,589 --> 00:50:17,220
primitive is that a good word I think I

1060
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:20,599
mean no clothes no tools

1061
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:23,940
disoriented uh

1062
00:50:31,150 --> 00:50:27,599
it it's hard to believe that they were

1063
00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:31,160
Pilots if you will as opposed to Cargo

1064
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:34,760
or robotic Assistance or yeah whatever

1065
00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,099
so there's another we don't know if

1066
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:40,980
there wasn't graduate

1067
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:44,880
no okay no no one reported wreckage no

1068
00:50:50,809 --> 00:50:48,119
okay because it was so fast

1069
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,819
it was so fast the operation because the

1070
00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:52,559
militaries were waiting for something

1071
00:50:57,650 --> 00:50:55,559
they were prepared for something so

1072
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:57,660
that's why it was so fat because for us

1073
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:01,079
it was uh how about radar in the area

1074
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:03,720
we don't have any no military right now

1075
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:05,700
or no so what about this military school

1076
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:14,630
the Army calls no

1077
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:16,740
but it's a hundred and the local airport

1078
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:21,180
it is a tiny one it's like a

1079
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:23,700
what do you call it is a place on the

1080
00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:25,260
ground where you land an aircraft it

1081
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:27,780
doesn't have any any Raider but we know

1082
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:31,260
the the guy who saw the wreckage in the

1083
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,200
truck so in the truck a strange metal

1084
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,960
something silver or something really

1085
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:39,119
strange okay so we do have somebody

1086
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:41,880
seeing some records oh yes not a not a

1087
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,520
civil witness but a military one okay

1088
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:47,119
it's a military one

1089
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:51,240
his friend someplace else to say because

1090
00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:53,339
it's a very close friend it's that you

1091
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:56,099
won't believe this I just saw

1092
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,859
uh this Convoy coming back to the Army

1093
00:52:03,710 --> 00:52:01,440
school and one of the trucks was

1094
00:52:06,109 --> 00:52:03,720
carrying the species of metal this

1095
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:06,119
silver weird metal up here I couldn't

1096
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:08,700
see any wiring anything like that it was

1097
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:11,339
just weird there was no line it's

1098
00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:13,380
something like that and then we know who

1099
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:15,780
this guy I sent him a message that I

1100
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,400
went to talk and he said he's too afraid

1101
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:20,400
that I have to wait until the the small

1102
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:23,640
gets down you know too much fire now so

1103
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:26,700
did this Brazilian Air Force pilot who

1104
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,859
presumably you've spoken to two of these

1105
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:31,440
people you've spoken to you to this

1106
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,140
friend of the man who claims to have

1107
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:36,720
seen the Refuge so you've not spoken to

1108
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,700
this man physically yourself not yet

1109
00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:40,800
have you spoken with this Brazilian Air

1110
00:52:47,630 --> 00:52:44,579
Force pilot he called us he called us we

1111
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,640
have not met him I'm going I'm going to

1112
00:52:52,809 --> 00:52:49,619
meet him there is a Brazilian Air Force

1113
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:52,819
pilot who he said earlier yes had

1114
00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:56,040
contacted them to say that I must talk

1115
00:53:01,549 --> 00:52:58,500
with you oh that's because the United

1116
00:53:03,530 --> 00:53:01,559
States of contacted us in Brazil to say

1117
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:03,540
you have an object coming in and it's

1118
00:53:09,069 --> 00:53:06,119
either going to land or it's crashed

1119
00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:09,079
so that sounds like the space Network

1120
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:11,720
now have you spoke with this

1121
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:14,099
through the telephone but I don't know

1122
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,220
who he is yes so he's given you his name

1123
00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:19,920
you know where everything everything and

1124
00:53:27,609 --> 00:53:22,859
also he if you can keep it in secret

1125
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:27,619
okay else he works he works

1126
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:31,079
airport the biggest one in Minnesota is

1127
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:35,119
he operates the radar he himself so many

1128
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:39,900
UFOs on the radar then he he knows

1129
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,300
people from the Brazilian Air Force in

1130
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,640
Brasilia who told him that the

1131
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,559
government was governing up the whole

1132
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:49,440
thing this UFOs flying around the

1133
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:51,480
Brazilian space

1134
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,839
so he's when his friends from Tres

1135
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:56,880
corazones called him to say he won't

1136
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:00,599
believe I saw this truck with this weird

1137
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,079
pieces of a metal thing and then he

1138
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:06,480
realized that really what he heard from

1139
00:54:13,069 --> 00:54:09,780
his friend in brazila was true the air

1140
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:13,079
the the aircraft not aircraft the

1141
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,940
spacecraft really crashed in the uh he's

1142
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,680
afraid about some diplomatic problem

1143
00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:22,079
because the Brazilian Air Force is not

1144
00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:23,579
knowing about this

1145
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:26,819
because they they talk directly to the

1146
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:29,099
army people not to the Air Force people

1147
00:54:33,130 --> 00:54:31,740
so he's now afraid if it's on the ground

1148
00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:33,140
it's the Army

1149
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:36,660
that's it and also they were so lucky

1150
00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:40,380
because the Army school it's 20 minutes

1151
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,099
far by car from Virginia so we have this

1152
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,280
very big facility interest so it was

1153
00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:49,380
piece of cake they go you better take

1154
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:51,480
care because some some some spacecraft

1155
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:54,720
have crashed in this latitude longitude

1156
00:55:00,589 --> 00:54:56,940
you go there and check it out so it was

1157
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,599
easy because you know let me tell you I

1158
00:55:05,770 --> 00:55:02,760
I'm a patriot but let me tell that the

1159
00:55:08,329 --> 00:55:05,780
Brazilian militaries are so dumb

1160
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,339
it's hard on you it was hard to

1161
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:11,040
understand for me and my partner how

1162
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:13,800
come they were so prepared how come they

1163
00:55:18,530 --> 00:55:16,680
could do most of them can hardly

1164
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,540
find their name well there is something

1165
00:55:23,150 --> 00:55:20,640
else that you have to recognize

1166
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,160
the United States is very anxious to get

1167
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:25,440
a hold of any re-entering

1168
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:28,500
Soviet or other spy satellite or

1169
00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:30,660
anything else and one of the reasons for

1170
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:32,280
the space network from above looking

1171
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,200
down is to see where these things are

1172
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:36,540
coming in and then to alert somebody

1173
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,300
with a quick recovery team yeah because

1174
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,280
they're desperate to get a hold of this

1175
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:43,440
technology and the cameras and the film

1176
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,480
and you know everything else yeah so

1177
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:48,480
it's not just of a flying saucer comes

1178
00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:50,460
down yes that's just one of many things

1179
00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:51,960
there's plenty of junk up there with

1180
00:55:59,580 --> 00:55:56,940
which they would pay very well to

1181
00:56:00,910 --> 00:55:59,590
you give it to us

1182
00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:00,920
[Music]

1183
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:04,440
not many many places down in South

1184
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:06,540
America is I'm talking about 12

1185
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:09,480
different cities this one specific this

1186
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,980
one

1187
00:56:16,130 --> 00:56:12,300
so

1188
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:16,140
but on April 21st this lady didn't

1189
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:20,819
senior class was in this um in this in

1190
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:24,000
this restaurant surrounded by Woods

1191
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:26,520
so she felt like smoking she went to the

1192
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:28,200
porch because she didn't want to disturb

1193
00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:29,819
the people there with the middle of the

1194
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:31,619
25th yes

1195
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:35,460
April the 21st so all of a sudden she

1196
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,140
was there just smoking having the

1197
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:39,920
cigarette and where is this in Virginia

1198
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:43,440
in a restaurant surrounded by woods and

1199
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:45,240
you can see you can even spot the

1200
00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:48,660
spiders around the bamboos and trees

1201
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:51,660
it's it's really a beautiful place and

1202
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,160
then she went to the porch to have the

1203
00:56:57,710 --> 00:56:55,440
cigarette all of a sudden she was just

1204
00:57:01,730 --> 00:56:57,720
there sitting there and smoking this

1205
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:01,740
creatures about five meters far from her

1206
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:04,140
just appeared

1207
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:07,380
looking at her it was nine o'clock on a

1208
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:09,240
Sunday morning night night night night

1209
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:10,319
night

1210
00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:13,740
and the place has the place has no

1211
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:16,020
lights only only in the restaurant so

1212
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:17,880
the woods were dark the place was dark

1213
00:57:25,849 --> 00:57:21,540
and she was there what did she see she

1214
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:25,859
saw this brown big head with this

1215
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:29,760
big round red devilish eyes or something

1216
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,059
like that really ugly a slit

1217
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:36,000
but how come if it was dark and the

1218
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,800
light in the porch wasn't enough

1219
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,559
all she could see was because some light

1220
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:43,680
was coming from the eyes not like a

1221
00:57:49,790 --> 00:57:46,440
flashlight but you know surround so she

1222
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,800
could see he was black I mean dark brown

1223
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,359
skin

1224
00:57:54,829 --> 00:57:53,520
looking like somebody has put in some

1225
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:54,839
oil

1226
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,720
okay just a slit

1227
00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:00,240
in the place of the mouth in this big

1228
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:04,500
red uh eyes but some some some light was

1229
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,020
coming and from this light from the eyes

1230
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:09,599
she could see the the color brown around

1231
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,440
the ear okay it was April the 21st nine

1232
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,119
o'clock how big

1233
00:58:19,849 --> 00:58:18,240
uh she said because we have this you

1234
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:19,859
know when you have a porch and you have

1235
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:22,200
a place or we have this thing a fan it's

1236
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:25,140
not a fancy yeah a railing yes it was

1237
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:28,500
above and this you say railing railing a

1238
00:58:34,089 --> 00:58:32,220
rail what was was this tall and the

1239
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:34,099
creature was here so we're talking about

1240
00:58:41,210 --> 00:58:39,000
uh one meter 60 or 65 1 meter and 65 so

1241
00:58:44,770 --> 00:58:41,220
all intents and purposes four feet a

1242
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:47,809
this woman has obviously seen television

1243
00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:50,220
newspaper reports she's had descriptions

1244
00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:53,160
of it's four months later you that's why

1245
00:59:00,530 --> 00:58:57,380
she called me that she must be that time

1246
00:59:03,289 --> 00:59:00,540
she doesn't watch TV as much right and

1247
00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:03,299
she's scaffolding for her she saw the

1248
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:04,440
devil

1249
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:07,619
so now she can't sleep she she won't go

1250
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:10,920
did she call anybody did it leave she

1251
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:13,440
talked to the family it took one week

1252
00:59:17,329 --> 00:59:16,020
for them to realize that that thing was

1253
00:59:20,809 --> 00:59:17,339
so important

1254
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:20,819
and uh they heard some rumors about a

1255
00:59:25,069 --> 00:59:22,740
creature and this girl sawing the script

1256
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:25,079
seeing the scripture so they they

1257
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:28,200
decided after one week to call us to say

1258
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:29,280
what

1259
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:32,339
and she was shaking like this is smoking

1260
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:35,280
you know she was really scared about it

1261
00:59:41,930 --> 00:59:37,140
she can't sleep

1262
00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:41,940
okay but then on May the 15th this guy

1263
00:59:46,930 --> 00:59:45,180
you do 20 years old

1264
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:46,940
it was coming from today

1265
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,579
it's it's the road I use every day I go

1266
00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:53,119
and go back to prisoners go to Virginia

1267
01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:58,680
every day so it was going to occur and

1268
01:00:02,329 --> 01:00:00,839
after that curve we have the road going

1269
01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:02,339
straight up

1270
01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:05,700
he was in the van we called Vista by

1271
01:00:11,289 --> 01:00:08,700
Asia murders it's Korean yeah the best

1272
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,299
and that one that we just came here

1273
01:00:16,849 --> 01:00:14,640
it was a hundred he was writing about a

1274
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:16,859
hundred kilometers per hour

1275
01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:20,760
so just made the curve and then his soul

1276
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:25,500
May 15th he saw this creature about to

1277
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,000
cross the road

1278
01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:29,760
he was like this coming coming from the

1279
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:31,140
place you park in the world only called

1280
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,500
the place parking place yes here some

1281
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:36,960
Woods here some grass High grass here it

1282
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,380
was about to cross the road he made the

1283
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:42,240
curve and he saw the creature about 15

1284
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:45,900
meters far from the from the car and at

1285
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:48,480
that time he saw that thing he said well

1286
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:50,940
it's a monkey it's a I'm gonna hit a

1287
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,579
monkey or something so he was riding

1288
01:00:57,049 --> 01:00:56,160
with low beams so he clicked so high

1289
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:57,059
beam

1290
01:01:02,690 --> 01:00:59,339
and at that time the creature did like

1291
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:02,700
this look at him what did he see he saw

1292
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:06,960
this red big strange eyes and this brown

1293
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,980
strange thing like some oil was on it

1294
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:12,960
and something on the head because the

1295
01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:15,960
preacher did like this and then put

1296
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,059
their hands on her face so he could see

1297
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:19,920
here because the van was coming from

1298
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:22,440
that way so he was intelligent he did

1299
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:26,040
like this cover the face turn around and

1300
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:28,920
got inside the grass the high grass

1301
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:32,940
but this place specifically is right in

1302
01:01:39,049 --> 01:01:36,119
front of the farmer house who saw this

1303
01:01:41,329 --> 01:01:39,059
strange object on January the 19th it's

1304
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:41,339
just amazing it's right in front of if

1305
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:44,640
you go down the same field that the

1306
01:01:49,609 --> 01:01:47,160
the object was flying here the road I'm

1307
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:49,619
talking about is right here above there

1308
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,000
up there

1309
01:01:55,849 --> 01:01:53,520
and the creature was coming from this

1310
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,859
pastor from this place here

1311
01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:58,319
in order to cross to the other side of

1312
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:00,420
the road the guy got so I said why

1313
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:03,660
didn't you stop so popular was alone but

1314
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:06,180
you were in the car well I didn't know

1315
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:09,480
that creature was alone too so he just

1316
01:02:15,289 --> 01:02:12,960
went away he did not hit it no because

1317
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:15,299
the creature just turned around with the

1318
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:19,859
hands uh clean long arms he could see

1319
01:02:25,549 --> 01:02:23,220
this like this and went back to the high

1320
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:25,559
grass so he didn't hit it and he went

1321
01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:28,740
away he was so scared about it

1322
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:32,280
okay so probably something is still

1323
01:02:35,569 --> 01:02:33,480
going on

1324
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:35,579
are they looking for their friends I

1325
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:36,420
don't know

1326
01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:40,200
could be a bus a cargo load of strange

1327
01:02:44,089 --> 01:02:41,940
animals but

1328
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,099
you know it happens in the states every

1329
01:02:49,309 --> 01:02:46,559
once in a while a vehicle will crash zoo

1330
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,319
animals things like that and for weeks

1331
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:51,119
they're trying to recapture the animals

1332
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:53,280
that get away which are not native to

1333
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:56,040
the area but and we're being hauled for

1334
01:03:01,130 --> 01:02:59,040
who knows what purpose but what I'm

1335
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,140
getting at here is I'm still thinking

1336
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:05,990
something maybe crashed from outer space

1337
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:08,240
wreckage though

1338
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:12,000
the beings creatures that don't belong

1339
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:14,280
there nobody's ever reported

1340
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,319
hunting in the woods and look what I saw

1341
01:03:21,289 --> 01:03:19,200
a kind of thing on the other hand we

1342
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:21,299
don't have sophistication on the animals

1343
01:03:26,569 --> 01:03:23,280
the creatures

1344
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:26,579
so that suggests a lower order

1345
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:29,760
so if you were taking a

1346
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:33,720
a plain load a saucer mode of strange

1347
01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:37,799
creatures either to or from or hybrids

1348
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:40,380
of some kind or reading stock for

1349
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,700
chemicals or who knows what yeah uh it

1350
01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:46,079
sounds like there were a bunch of them

1351
01:03:50,329 --> 01:03:47,420
yes

1352
01:03:53,089 --> 01:03:50,339
its own have you found it we're talking

1353
01:03:54,970 --> 01:03:53,099
about five or six if I'm not wrong yeah

1354
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:54,980
and there's no reason to think

1355
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:57,839
yeah if one could stay there for as long

1356
01:04:02,210 --> 01:03:59,819
as from January to May

1357
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,220
now no sexual organs doesn't sound like

1358
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:04,319
they reproduce themselves it sounds like

1359
01:04:10,609 --> 01:04:08,280
clones or whatever now John isn't it

1360
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,619
true that on occasion people act as if

1361
01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:12,720
the beans on board the craft

1362
01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:14,460
they're the guys who do the Dirty Work

1363
01:04:18,490 --> 01:04:16,440
they're the smarter guys and smarter

1364
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,500
than the right right

1365
01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:21,119
these things may not answer what I'm

1366
01:04:26,809 --> 01:04:23,640
saying is we have other possibilities

1367
01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:26,819
then that these are the guys who fly

1368
01:04:33,710 --> 01:04:30,420
saucers that's it for us they're a soul

1369
01:04:36,730 --> 01:04:33,720
root yes as we see in Portuguese so

1370
01:04:40,370 --> 01:04:36,740
don't hugees they're so rude so

1371
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:40,380
awkward yeah so crude are they able to

1372
01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:44,700
to to you know to manage spacecraft

1373
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:47,339
something like that maybe something

1374
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:51,119
genetic manipulated for some specific

1375
01:04:56,809 --> 01:04:54,180
Nation on the ground so the smart guys

1376
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:56,819
are just flying over not running the

1377
01:05:05,089 --> 01:05:00,960
wrists but but maybe something went

1378
01:05:08,030 --> 01:05:05,099
wrong maybe our logic cannot be used on

1379
01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:08,040
the case accidents happen accidents are

1380
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:10,680
the craziest reasons yeah perfect only

1381
01:05:14,809 --> 01:05:13,020
god god is perfect I have a question

1382
01:05:16,730 --> 01:05:14,819
completely separate your separate kids

1383
01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:16,740
so where does it stand now are the

1384
01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:19,020
military told people to shut up the

1385
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:21,900
firemen oh yes well if somebody

1386
01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:24,180
pronounces my name in the Army school

1387
01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:27,240
it's 10 days in jail now wow so we have

1388
01:05:33,970 --> 01:05:31,260
many threats uh I had two in my months

1389
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:33,980
housing place

1390
01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:36,960
four in my apartment in Belarus lunch

1391
01:05:42,349 --> 01:05:39,240
telling you to shut up no I'm gonna kill

1392
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,359
you you're gonna and also somebody from

1393
01:05:47,710 --> 01:05:44,400
the Army school told me I have talked to

1394
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:47,720
14 different militaries I have recorded

1395
01:05:52,910 --> 01:05:50,220
every one of them with their knowledge

1396
01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:52,920
or everyone yes and you still have those

1397
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:54,839
tapes right sure good I hope you've

1398
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:56,960
duplicated them

1399
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:01,920
more than that so if they die if a comet

1400
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,520
hit him hit them no problem I have it

1401
01:06:10,690 --> 01:06:08,160
already in my hand where does John Mack

1402
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:10,700
fit into this okay so

1403
01:06:18,010 --> 01:06:14,160
Bob Brad was coming to Brazil with cinch

1404
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:20,930
so they they just went out she's gone on

1405
01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:23,040
many investigations yes so she went to

1406
01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:25,260
the to Virginia and I told him

1407
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:27,720
everything but it was at that time so

1408
01:06:31,789 --> 01:06:30,000
what they could know at that time was

1409
01:06:33,950 --> 01:06:31,799
half of the story because it was in

1410
01:06:38,589 --> 01:06:33,960
March yeah okay so we're getting new

1411
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:40,990
who's a colleague

1412
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:45,299
he knows her yeah okay uh Dr John Mack

1413
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:47,460
right she was at a conference at MIT

1414
01:06:54,049 --> 01:06:51,539
that right so she was so anxious to go

1415
01:06:57,049 --> 01:06:54,059
to Virginia to get to know about the the

1416
01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:57,059
case and Professor was invited to to be

1417
01:07:00,910 --> 01:06:58,859
in Brazil I don't know specific why he

1418
01:07:04,130 --> 01:07:00,920
was doing some investigation probably

1419
01:07:06,250 --> 01:07:04,140
should have took him there so we put the

1420
01:07:08,529 --> 01:07:06,260
girls

1421
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:08,539
with him

1422
01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:11,520
uh he had this

1423
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:15,000
um this um when you go to a doctor's

1424
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:16,440
place to have this

1425
01:07:20,690 --> 01:07:18,599
uh how do you say because you're

1426
01:07:25,630 --> 01:07:20,700
counseling counseling counseling that's

1427
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:25,640
it for over two hours both I mean

1428
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:28,140
separately from the girls

1429
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:31,799
so he had this conversation asking many

1430
01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:34,260
questions alone I was just translating

1431
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:38,220
okay okay who is the translator yeah I

1432
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:39,839
didn't interrupt I didn't I didn't say

1433
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:43,380
anything so after that he said

1434
01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:45,660
I can answer

1435
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:47,720
to any any any

1436
01:07:54,849 --> 01:07:51,660
judge or before the justice of this

1437
01:07:59,630 --> 01:07:54,859
country and also I bet

1438
01:08:03,170 --> 01:07:59,640
my we say cat is unfortunate my diploma

1439
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:03,180
my Harvard diploma in my Harvard work

1440
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:04,740
because he's a he's a teacher there

1441
01:08:11,690 --> 01:08:06,799
right

1442
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:13,690
the truth so

1443
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:17,100
uh after that if somebody asked me what

1444
01:08:21,050 --> 01:08:18,600
I'm thinking about the girl they say

1445
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:21,060
don't ask me you go to Harvard that's

1446
01:08:27,229 --> 01:08:24,120
your PhD guy there she didn't talk to

1447
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:27,239
the girls or did no Dr Amore never

1448
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:31,440
okay so many things some people are in

1449
01:08:35,209 --> 01:08:33,420
in Army School in transportation as a

1450
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:35,219
military one of the guys that I have

1451
01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:39,660
talked to said that Cornell uh only to

1452
01:08:45,229 --> 01:08:41,880
one delay has said that I'm going too

1453
01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:45,239
far with this there are

1454
01:08:49,450 --> 01:08:47,580
um as we say in Brazil that I'm putting

1455
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:49,460
some on the fans

1456
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:51,960
and can you say that in the states yeah

1457
01:08:59,470 --> 01:08:56,040
maybe it's time to shut me up

1458
01:09:02,209 --> 01:08:59,480
okay so we have this thread by telephone

1459
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:02,219
uh I'm wearing you you don't have to

1460
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:03,900
mention this but I'm aware not now not

1461
01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:06,480
here but I'm wearing this uh bulletproof

1462
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:07,799
vest

1463
01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:10,739
and of course the Press fit in have they

1464
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:12,359
have any of the newspapers made an

1465
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:15,660
all-out effort to dig into this

1466
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:19,199
they're on our side well we go to the

1467
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,540
Press almost every week papers

1468
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:23,580
television groups different shows

1469
01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:27,120
different uh networks I should mention

1470
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,699
something else you bring up Roswell but

1471
01:09:33,289 --> 01:09:31,440
as I'm sure you're aware Leonard

1472
01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:33,299
Stringfield collected more than 50

1473
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:35,640
reports of Crash saucers he didn't

1474
01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:38,699
investigate them in their story we have

1475
01:09:42,169 --> 01:09:40,980
a new document I showed one page in a

1476
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:42,179
minute

1477
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,339
that suggests that there was an

1478
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:46,440
operations manual for dealing with the

1479
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:49,560
recovery handling shipping of wreckage

1480
01:09:57,169 --> 01:09:52,799
bodies Etc you don't do that manual if

1481
01:09:59,630 --> 01:09:57,179
nothing has happened since 1947. uh what

1482
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:59,640
you have said makes it sound like there

1483
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:01,860
somebody was prepared to deal with

1484
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,719
something coming down

1485
01:10:08,689 --> 01:10:06,480
so it may well be that rather than a

1486
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:08,699
link to Roswell there's a link to 40

1487
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:18,650
yeah but also I'm telling you the

1488
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:20,520
military is interest corazones I know

1489
01:10:25,610 --> 01:10:23,280
most of them down there there as you say

1490
01:10:26,410 --> 01:10:25,620
United States they're dumb as they've

1491
01:10:29,149 --> 01:10:26,420
done it

1492
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:29,159
so they are they of course they're not

1493
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,560
ready to to to work with such a thing

1494
01:10:37,790 --> 01:10:34,560
like that they were prepared previously

1495
01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:37,800
by somebody else how come so fast and

1496
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:40,260
now we can understand what this creature

1497
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:42,540
was doing here probably is struggling

1498
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:45,179
for its own life no helicopter circling

1499
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:49,140
the area two jet fighters

1500
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:51,960
have you just fight us before this this

1501
01:10:59,330 --> 01:10:56,159
guy this this lawyer who saw the the the

1502
01:11:04,610 --> 01:10:59,340
the militaries with the rifles and heard

1503
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:04,620
the the shots so too uh we call F5 but

1504
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,280
uh that's unusual for them to be they

1505
01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:10,560
don't fly there I'll never

1506
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,080
so far will be this creature here was

1507
01:11:18,010 --> 01:11:15,360
just trying to save it it's life yeah

1508
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:18,020
probably the army people down here

1509
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,540
started this whole thing you know like

1510
01:11:26,350 --> 01:11:23,280
shooting everything around and the

1511
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:26,360
creatures just spreading around like

1512
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:29,460
like you say when the ship is going down

1513
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,620
in the middle of the ocean it's sinking

1514
01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:34,320
you say God may God help every one of us

1515
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:36,600
so each one take care yeah

1516
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:40,140
you know so probably this happened now

1517
01:11:45,649 --> 01:11:43,679
we know from the guy he controls the the

1518
01:11:49,010 --> 01:11:45,659
Belarus launches Raider

1519
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:49,020
the the Raider from the dollars uh

1520
01:11:54,169 --> 01:11:51,900
airport that the UFOs were flying around

1521
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,179
here we know this guy I know who he is

1522
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:55,920
I'm just preparing him to talk to me

1523
01:12:01,790 --> 01:11:59,400
okay his wife this guy said no no he's

1524
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,800
going to destroy our lives he said no

1525
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:04,320
he has talked to many people I know he

1526
01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:05,820
has talked to many people inside down

1527
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,620
the school didn't mention any any name

1528
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:10,080
so I'm preparing the guy saw the

1529
01:12:16,729 --> 01:12:13,500
wreckage so we would have the the couple

1530
01:12:19,850 --> 01:12:16,739
wife and husband who saw on January the

1531
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:19,860
19th this thing like this flying over

1532
01:12:27,070 --> 01:12:22,560
the field we have many witnesses who had

1533
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,080
met this weird creatures so probably

1534
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,239
we're thinking that at first at the very

1535
01:12:34,189 --> 01:12:31,679
beginning that they were surveying the

1536
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:34,199
area to draw some creatures for some

1537
01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:36,300
Mission now we're understanding that

1538
01:12:41,209 --> 01:12:39,239
they had some problem and crashed and

1539
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:41,219
these creatures are now in this God's

1540
01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:43,380
world trying to survive

1541
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:46,020
hopefully my my brother then we go to my

1542
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:49,080
brother okay my brother said and he was

1543
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:51,540
positive because he knows

1544
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:54,719
uh the professor who was uh following

1545
01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:57,780
him in his PhD

1546
01:13:05,450 --> 01:13:01,560
um his advisor as an advisor knows

1547
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:05,460
personally doctor about them

1548
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:09,060
and he told my brother and he's home he

1549
01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:10,800
didn't talk through the telephone he

1550
01:13:15,070 --> 01:13:12,600
said I need to talk to you personally he

1551
01:13:16,689 --> 01:13:15,080
went there and said doctor about

1552
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:16,699
had

1553
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:19,920
made this necropsy I don't know how you

1554
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,880
say autopsy autopsy uh but he cannot do

1555
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:26,480
it alone because he needs some expert

1556
01:13:33,370 --> 01:13:30,300
DNA expert and many others so they have

1557
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:33,380
involved many people not only from

1558
01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:36,360
unicamp University but for many other

1559
01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:37,820
cities around

1560
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:41,699
using many other facilities because we

1561
01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:44,640
had mentioned unicorn people now is

1562
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:47,100
watching unicorn so probably they took

1563
01:13:51,290 --> 01:13:48,840
it away from there but how much testing

1564
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:51,300
it only need small samples yes but how

1565
01:13:57,290 --> 01:13:54,480
many of them they moved too many copies

1566
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:57,300
got me to other places we're now talking

1567
01:14:01,970 --> 01:13:59,400
about five or six creatures I don't know

1568
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:01,980
some of them are still alive

1569
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:05,100
walking on the grounds around there as

1570
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:08,640
you do saw on May 15th President on

1571
01:14:14,930 --> 01:14:13,380
April 21st okay lunch time red suit or

1572
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:14,940
something like that well even without it

1573
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,280
they don't have it

1574
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:19,920
oil sued by some reason and then you

1575
01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:22,860
cannot identify well I'm I'm asking

1576
01:14:26,090 --> 01:14:24,300
questions only because I hadn't heard it

1577
01:14:27,770 --> 01:14:26,100
asked before oh yeah it's a question

1578
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:27,780
that was obvious if they're naked and

1579
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:29,820
I've got some and with the girls and

1580
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,510
actually I'm losing the battery is not

1581
01:14:43,550 --> 01:14:41,270
now let's take a look at some photos and

1582
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,560
drawings which illustrate this important

1583
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,080
case in Virginia

1584
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,480
pictured here in the red sweater is

1585
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:51,600
orolina Augusta and to the right Mr

1586
01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:53,580
euriko de frettas

1587
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:56,040
this is the farming couple who saw a

1588
01:15:01,250 --> 01:14:59,159
submarine-shaped object at 1am on the

1589
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,260
morning of January 20th

1590
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:03,360
the object was five meters off the

1591
01:15:08,930 --> 01:15:05,640
ground gray in color and the size of a

1592
01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:08,940
minibus it emitted smoke but there was

1593
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:10,140
no sound

1594
01:15:21,169 --> 01:15:12,840
the farm is approximately 10 kilometers

1595
01:15:26,689 --> 01:15:23,750
this is a this is an artist's conception

1596
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:26,699
of that strange object coming down at

1597
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:30,420
1am on January 20th silently but yet

1598
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:40,430
the gentleman in the center of the

1599
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:42,659
photograph is a famous Brazilian

1600
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:46,380
journalist gulat de Andrade speaking

1601
01:15:52,850 --> 01:15:49,679
with farmer yuriko de friates and

1602
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:52,860
orolina Augusta also present in the

1603
01:16:02,330 --> 01:15:54,360
picture at the right

1604
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:06,229
it is the morning of January 20th 8 A.M

1605
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,000
When A call came to the Virginia fire

1606
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,520
department reporting that a strange

1607
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:13,440
monkey had been sighted and to please

1608
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:21,410
even though the call came to the fire

1609
01:16:28,490 --> 01:16:24,540
department at 8 A.M in typical Brazilian

1610
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:28,500
style they responded at 10 am

1611
01:16:40,189 --> 01:16:38,630
this is the Virginia Fire Department

1612
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:40,199
headquarters

1613
01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:43,140
corpo de bomberos de vagina is its

1614
01:16:54,530 --> 01:16:44,280
proper title

1615
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:56,930
this is number three Switzerland Street

1616
01:17:00,590 --> 01:16:59,520
in the Jordan and deer District of

1617
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,600
Virginia

1618
01:17:06,169 --> 01:17:03,120
just to the left is where the fire truck

1619
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,179
parked and where the children were

1620
01:17:14,990 --> 01:17:08,159
getting rocks to throw at the creature

1621
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:17,570
a Brazilian investigator stands at the

1622
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,400
top of the hill looking down the grassy

1623
01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:23,280
slope towards the woods and the Santana

1624
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:35,870
it was on this slope where the creature

1625
01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:38,880
was first sighted and the firemen went

1626
01:17:53,930 --> 01:17:41,340
down with her Nets to try to retrieve

1627
01:18:07,910 --> 01:17:56,450
the creature tried to run from them but

1628
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,669
two Brazilian investigators stand at the

1629
01:18:14,689 --> 01:18:12,960
top of this hill

1630
01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:14,699
in the middle of the hills where the

1631
01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:25,550
this is another view down that Grassley

1632
01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:28,260
slope toward the woods with the Santana

1633
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:39,709
the creature was captured rather easily

1634
01:18:45,890 --> 01:18:43,199
with a net by the two firemen

1635
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:45,900
notice the three horn-like

1636
01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:49,260
protuberances on its head

1637
01:19:02,750 --> 01:18:59,630
then the two firemen brought the

1638
01:19:05,410 --> 01:19:02,760
creature in the net up the hillside it

1639
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:05,420
was making a strange

1640
01:19:19,070 --> 01:19:16,910
the creature was captured

1641
01:19:23,209 --> 01:19:19,080
it was in the net

1642
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:23,219
but as they came up to the road

1643
01:19:28,610 --> 01:19:25,280
the firemen found that military

1644
01:19:31,490 --> 01:19:28,620
personnel were waiting for them

1645
01:19:38,570 --> 01:19:31,500
and that the military personnel would

1646
01:19:44,510 --> 01:19:42,649
witnessed by Builders assistant henrique

1647
01:19:46,669 --> 01:19:44,520
Jose

1648
01:19:49,850 --> 01:19:46,679
he had seen the four firemen capture the

1649
01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:49,860
creature between 10 30 and 11 A.M that

1650
01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:50,760
morning

1651
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:54,600
he saw them put it into a wooden box and

1652
01:19:58,910 --> 01:19:56,580
then handed over to military personnel

1653
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:58,920
who came on the scene

1654
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:01,140
he reports that the creature was taken

1655
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,320
to the Escola de sargentos de armas the

1656
01:20:11,209 --> 01:20:07,199
esa which stands for the school of

1657
01:20:16,250 --> 01:20:13,550
yeah

1658
01:20:25,490 --> 01:20:16,260
still in the net the creature is loaded

1659
01:20:28,610 --> 01:20:27,530
it was then loaded onto the military

1660
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:28,620
truck

1661
01:20:45,709 --> 01:20:41,470
here two Brazilian investigators

1662
01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:45,719
Franco Rodriguez and claudercovo

1663
01:20:52,130 --> 01:20:49,020
are at the site of the first encounter

1664
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:52,140
you can see Virginia is hardly a village

1665
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:53,820
in the jungle

1666
01:21:04,310 --> 01:20:56,820
this is an industrial area with many

1667
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:06,890
just several blocks away from the first

1668
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,460
encounter

1669
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:11,040
is this area where houses are under

1670
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:12,480
construction

1671
01:21:18,110 --> 01:21:14,820
this was the area where the three young

1672
01:21:27,709 --> 01:21:18,120
women saw the creature on the same day

1673
01:21:33,169 --> 01:21:30,470
these are the three young women who made

1674
01:21:37,070 --> 01:21:33,179
that sighting at 3 30 p.m that Saturday

1675
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:37,080
afternoon January 20th

1676
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:40,920
in the Forefront is Lillian age 16 and

1677
01:21:48,890 --> 01:21:45,120
behind her her sister valkyria age 14

1678
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:48,900
their sisters and behind them is a young

1679
01:21:56,169 --> 01:21:54,239
woman Katia aged 22. all three were busy

1680
01:21:59,330 --> 01:21:56,179
with their jobs cleaning houses

1681
01:22:07,729 --> 01:21:59,340
basically working as maids and they were

1682
01:22:12,430 --> 01:22:10,130
this is an artist's conception of the

1683
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:12,440
three women happily on their way home

1684
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,970
here are the three young women decide to

1685
01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:24,960
take a shortcut

1686
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:27,060
the address of the building where the

1687
01:22:32,770 --> 01:22:30,719
second creature was spotted is number 76

1688
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:32,780
benef

1689
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,320
Street which adjoins empty land

1690
01:22:44,209 --> 01:22:39,360
they had no idea what they were about to

1691
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:47,450
here a Brazilian investigator crouches

1692
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,000
in the exact position and location where

1693
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:54,239
the creature was seen near the wall as

1694
01:23:03,290 --> 01:22:56,520
if it were trying to hide and not be

1695
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:05,930
however they did catch sight of the

1696
01:23:15,470 --> 01:23:08,880
strange being and were startled puzzled

1697
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:19,370
their crouching next to the wall and not

1698
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:22,320
looking at them was a strange creature

1699
01:23:28,430 --> 01:23:25,560
which obviously to them was not any type

1700
01:23:29,810 --> 01:23:28,440
of animal nor was it any type of human

1701
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:29,820
being

1702
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:33,000
they saw some kinds of protuberances on

1703
01:23:39,709 --> 01:23:36,239
the head and some strange red veins on

1704
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:39,719
the back of the neck and shoulders

1705
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:41,460
but they were not prepared for what they

1706
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:49,250
when it turned its head they saw the

1707
01:23:56,570 --> 01:23:54,360
large glowing red eyes with no pupils

1708
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:56,580
and they knew that they were seeing

1709
01:23:59,810 --> 01:23:57,840
something

1710
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:59,820
that to them felt like a demon or a

1711
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:00,840
devil

1712
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:02,820
they were terrified

1713
01:24:13,310 --> 01:24:10,669
what on Earth could possibly look like

1714
01:24:15,890 --> 01:24:13,320
this what could have such red glowing

1715
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:15,900
eyes and be alive

1716
01:24:22,729 --> 01:24:18,600
and looking at them in such a way

1717
01:24:29,390 --> 01:24:22,739
they had no idea what they were seeing

1718
01:24:34,430 --> 01:24:31,790
the three women did what just about

1719
01:24:37,130 --> 01:24:34,440
anybody would do they ran as fast as

1720
01:24:39,709 --> 01:24:37,140
they could to get away screaming and

1721
01:24:40,970 --> 01:24:39,719
looking for someone that could come back

1722
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,980
and see

1723
01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:42,960
what this thing was

1724
01:24:55,850 --> 01:24:53,149
the Two Sisters living in on the right

1725
01:24:58,610 --> 01:24:55,860
are on the left and valkyria on the

1726
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,620
right are seen with their mother who is

1727
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:01,440
on the far right in the red sweater

1728
01:25:05,209 --> 01:25:03,540
they found their mother and took her

1729
01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:05,219
back to that spot where they had seen

1730
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:06,360
the creature

1731
01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:10,560
but she certainly smelled that strong

1732
01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:13,860
ammonia that was in the air plus she saw

1733
01:25:17,570 --> 01:25:15,900
two strange tracks which she could not

1734
01:25:20,030 --> 01:25:17,580
explain

1735
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:20,040
she believed her daughters she knew they

1736
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:29,930
16 year old Lillian made a drawing and

1737
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:31,560
here she presents it

1738
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,280
to the famous investigator Uber rajara

1739
01:25:39,950 --> 01:25:37,679
Franco Rodriguez

1740
01:25:47,930 --> 01:25:39,960
one of the Two Chief investigators along

1741
01:25:52,130 --> 01:25:50,810
this is a close-up of that drawing by

1742
01:25:55,689 --> 01:25:52,140
Lillian

1743
01:25:59,810 --> 01:25:55,699
noting the three horn-like protuberances

1744
01:26:02,510 --> 01:25:59,820
large eyes with no pupils and she does

1745
01:26:04,850 --> 01:26:02,520
not even note a mouth but she certainly

1746
01:26:06,410 --> 01:26:04,860
remembers the veins which seem to stick

1747
01:26:13,729 --> 01:26:06,420
out on the back of the neck and

1748
01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:16,250
pain made by one of the other two young

1749
01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:30,110
several months later Dr John Mack of

1750
01:26:36,290 --> 01:26:32,460
Harvard University who is noted for his

1751
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:36,300
studies in UFO abductions just happened

1752
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:39,480
to be in Brazil attending a conference

1753
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:42,960
and was brought down to Virginia to meet

1754
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:45,120
the two sisters who had seen this

1755
01:26:51,169 --> 01:26:46,800
creature

1756
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:51,179
he interviewed them for over two hours

1757
01:26:57,169 --> 01:26:53,760
and was quite impressed by their

1758
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:57,179
sincerity their trauma

1759
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:00,000
and their credibility I talked with him

1760
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:02,699
recently in person and he and I both

1761
01:27:08,209 --> 01:27:05,520
agree that this case in Virginia is very

1762
01:27:10,669 --> 01:27:08,219
important very credible and these two

1763
01:27:12,830 --> 01:27:10,679
young girls especially very sincere

1764
01:27:15,169 --> 01:27:12,840
insane

1765
01:27:22,729 --> 01:27:15,179
in fact he stated he would stake his

1766
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:25,370
is believed that that same creature was

1767
01:27:31,550 --> 01:27:28,260
then witnessed by other civilians and

1768
01:27:35,090 --> 01:27:31,560
rounded up by military officials later

1769
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:35,100
that evening between 10 and 11 pm

1770
01:27:40,850 --> 01:27:37,860
it was first taken to an emergency room

1771
01:27:42,770 --> 01:27:40,860
but immediately rejected and taken to

1772
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:42,780
the public Hospital which is shown here

1773
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:46,920
the regional hospital in Virginia

1774
01:27:53,390 --> 01:27:49,020
it only stayed there for several hours

1775
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:56,510
this is an artist's conception of two

1776
01:28:08,629 --> 01:27:59,340
military personnel taking the captured

1777
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:11,149
after several hours the creature was

1778
01:28:17,450 --> 01:28:13,920
transferred to a private Hospital the

1779
01:28:23,330 --> 01:28:17,460
humanitas hospital on the outskirts of

1780
01:28:23,340 --> 01:28:27,110
foreign

1781
01:28:33,970 --> 01:28:30,470
on Monday January 22nd a convoy of

1782
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:33,980
trucks parked here between 3 and 6 PM

1783
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:37,199
opposite the humanitas hospital a

1784
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:40,080
witness told that at 6 PM that evening

1785
01:28:55,010 --> 01:28:51,950
Witnesses tell that the creature was

1786
01:28:57,290 --> 01:28:55,020
kept in a quarantined area heavily

1787
01:28:59,649 --> 01:28:57,300
guarded by military personnel

1788
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,659
many doctors were seen coming and going

1789
01:29:04,070 --> 01:29:02,400
and only a few nurses were able to

1790
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:04,080
attend this creature

1791
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:06,900
which apparently died within a day's

1792
01:29:16,910 --> 01:29:12,110
this is an artist's depiction of what

1793
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:24,890
the strong smell of ammonia was apparent

1794
01:29:29,629 --> 01:29:27,050
the creature was dead

1795
01:29:31,610 --> 01:29:29,639
but now there was a new problem

1796
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,620
who would get the body

1797
01:29:35,870 --> 01:29:33,600
what would be done with it

1798
01:29:38,090 --> 01:29:35,880
was a military habit

1799
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:38,100
but the doctors get it

1800
01:29:47,330 --> 01:29:40,920
or would they somehow share

1801
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:51,290
this creature with the oily brown skin

1802
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:54,480
and the big red eyes was laid out in a

1803
01:30:04,010 --> 01:29:57,960
box on what pakachini called tripods or

1804
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:06,430
this is another artist's impression

1805
01:30:14,510 --> 01:30:10,320
according to testimony by a military

1806
01:30:17,390 --> 01:30:14,520
witness of the scene inside the hospital

1807
01:30:21,290 --> 01:30:17,400
soldiers from the Escola des argentos de

1808
01:30:24,350 --> 01:30:21,300
armos or the esa filmed the scene on a

1809
01:30:26,270 --> 01:30:24,360
JVC video camera according to this

1810
01:30:29,570 --> 01:30:26,280
Witness

1811
01:30:32,570 --> 01:30:29,580
this second creature was laid in small

1812
01:30:35,050 --> 01:30:32,580
box the military officials present were

1813
01:30:38,209 --> 01:30:35,060
Lieutenant Colonel Olympia wanderly

1814
01:30:42,430 --> 01:30:38,219
Lieutenant tenente tiberio Captain

1815
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:42,440
Ramirez Sergeant Pedrosa Corporal vasalo

1816
01:30:48,649 --> 01:30:46,320
privates Mello and Carrillo

1817
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:48,659
many of the doctors were closely watched

1818
01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:49,980
by the military

1819
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:51,540
because they did not want any

1820
01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:54,000
information to leak out

1821
01:31:04,669 --> 01:30:56,760
even though the doctors were mystified

1822
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:06,530
this is the gate at the back of the

1823
01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:07,620
hospital

1824
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,380
where a military track was reported to

1825
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,960
have pulled up gone through the gate to

1826
01:31:21,950 --> 01:31:14,400
get the creature

1827
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:24,709
this is how an artist depicted the

1828
01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:27,120
military truck backing up to the cargo

1829
01:31:32,930 --> 01:31:30,060
entrance in order to load the body

1830
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:32,940
onto the truck two other military trucks

1831
01:31:38,450 --> 01:31:35,040
were present and the three left in a

1832
01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:38,460
convoy perhaps to confuse onlookers as

1833
01:31:48,350 --> 01:31:41,460
the witch truck actually contained the

1834
01:31:52,610 --> 01:31:49,490
at 4

1835
01:31:55,550 --> 01:31:52,620
on Tuesday January 23rd

1836
01:31:58,010 --> 01:31:55,560
a convoy of military trucks and private

1837
01:32:01,790 --> 01:31:58,020
Vehicles distinguished by a leading

1838
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:01,800
Volkswagen van left Virginia for the

1839
01:32:12,350 --> 01:32:08,990
this is the Army Cadet school at

1840
01:32:15,729 --> 01:32:12,360
Campinas this is a very big army base

1841
01:32:18,530 --> 01:32:15,739
situated approximately 300 kilometers

1842
01:32:20,810 --> 01:32:18,540
from Virginia

1843
01:32:22,669 --> 01:32:20,820
once the Convoy arrived

1844
01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:22,679
the creature was transferred to the

1845
01:32:36,410 --> 01:32:34,610
there were many Brazilian investigators

1846
01:32:40,370 --> 01:32:36,420
and here are some of the more prominent

1847
01:32:44,209 --> 01:32:40,380
ones first we have Victoria pacaccini

1848
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:44,219
Edison boa Adventura

1849
01:32:58,610 --> 01:32:53,870
Rodriguez this is clado corver

1850
01:33:01,970 --> 01:32:58,620
this is Gilda Moray a psychologist who

1851
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:01,980
works with abductees in Brazil she was

1852
01:33:07,729 --> 01:33:04,800
the one who brought Dr John Mack

1853
01:33:09,970 --> 01:33:07,739
to see the three girls

1854
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:09,980
Dr John Mack is from Harvard University

1855
01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:12,480
there were other Brazilian investigators

1856
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:16,380
who assisted with this case many groups

1857
01:33:22,910 --> 01:33:19,260
work together on this most important

1858
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:26,629
here Victoria pacaccini meets the Press

1859
01:33:31,910 --> 01:33:29,040
keeping the media abreast

1860
01:33:33,649 --> 01:33:31,920
of the investigations that were going on

1861
01:33:35,450 --> 01:33:33,659
sometimes he would brief them daily

1862
01:33:37,370 --> 01:33:35,460
sometimes weekly

1863
01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:37,380
but the information was well received

1864
01:33:49,790 --> 01:33:47,030
the Brazilian media did a good job

1865
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:49,800
presenting the facts to the people this

1866
01:33:54,649 --> 01:33:52,860
led to perhaps as many as 60 percent of

1867
01:33:57,470 --> 01:33:54,659
the Brazilian people

1868
01:33:59,570 --> 01:33:57,480
in believing that something quite

1869
01:34:01,250 --> 01:33:59,580
serious had occurred

1870
01:34:03,470 --> 01:34:01,260
they were impressed by the number of

1871
01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:03,480
witnesses which numbered over 40

1872
01:34:08,390 --> 01:34:06,239
first-hand Witnesses

1873
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,400
and the Press was clearly on the side of

1874
01:34:17,689 --> 01:34:10,320
the people trying to get to the bottom

1875
01:34:24,590 --> 01:34:19,990
although this is a poorly framed picture

1876
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:24,600
the lady on the far right is terezinha

1877
01:34:31,390 --> 01:34:27,840
Gallo clef age 67

1878
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:31,400
who reported seeing the strange creature

1879
01:34:36,649 --> 01:34:34,080
behind the Virginia restaurant when she

1880
01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:36,659
was outside smoking a cigarette on April

1881
01:34:45,530 --> 01:34:38,460
21st

1882
01:34:51,950 --> 01:34:49,129
a Brazilian investigator stands

1883
01:34:54,350 --> 01:34:51,960
at the railing behind the back of the

1884
01:35:08,689 --> 01:34:54,360
restaurant posing where the creature did

1885
01:35:13,729 --> 01:35:11,330
Brazilian investigator clauder kovo

1886
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:13,739
holds the drawing that Mrs klepp made

1887
01:35:19,550 --> 01:35:16,500
from her April 21st encounter

1888
01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:19,560
although it's not a very good picture

1889
01:35:25,129 --> 01:35:22,920
it depicted brown skin and large round

1890
01:35:27,470 --> 01:35:25,139
red eyes

1891
01:35:34,189 --> 01:35:27,480
the skin seemed to be glistening as if

1892
01:35:41,149 --> 01:35:38,030
this drawing is better in quality but

1893
01:35:45,410 --> 01:35:41,159
still lacks the right colors because she

1894
01:35:49,610 --> 01:35:45,420
did describe a dark brown oily skin you

1895
01:35:51,950 --> 01:35:49,620
can see how she depicts a glistening on

1896
01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:51,960
top of the head and here are the large

1897
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:54,840
red round eyes

1898
01:35:58,490 --> 01:35:57,600
is unclear what this glow is behind the

1899
01:36:00,350 --> 01:35:58,500
head

1900
01:36:06,530 --> 01:36:00,360
but this is the position that the

1901
01:36:11,169 --> 01:36:09,290
here again are the three young women who

1902
01:36:15,649 --> 01:36:11,179
saw the creature crouching by the wall

1903
01:36:19,550 --> 01:36:15,659
on Saturday afternoon January 20th

1904
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:19,560
valkyria age 14 on the left Katia aged

1905
01:36:23,450 --> 01:36:21,120
22

1906
01:36:26,689 --> 01:36:23,460
in the middle

1907
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:26,699
and valkyria's sister Lillian age 16 on

1908
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:27,540
the right

1909
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:30,480
an interesting footnote

1910
01:36:36,169 --> 01:36:33,540
three months later on April 29th Monday

1911
01:36:38,510 --> 01:36:36,179
at 10 05 pm

1912
01:36:40,370 --> 01:36:38,520
the mother of the Two Sisters was

1913
01:36:42,770 --> 01:36:40,380
approached by a man who offered her

1914
01:36:46,490 --> 01:36:42,780
money if she could persuade her

1915
01:36:55,850 --> 01:36:46,500
daughters to lie and change their story

1916
01:36:58,669 --> 01:36:57,470
this is the end of the drawings in

1917
01:37:00,649 --> 01:36:58,679
photographs

1918
01:37:03,649 --> 01:37:00,659
but now we are going to hear

1919
01:37:07,550 --> 01:37:03,659
several comments and further details as

1920
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:07,560
presented by age a Girard head of mufon

1921
01:37:14,270 --> 01:37:10,320
in Brazil the mutual UFO Network

1922
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:14,280
and also the editor for UFO magazine

1923
01:37:30,649 --> 01:37:28,310
yes I'm AJ jeffar 34 years old

1924
01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:30,659
um the editor-in-chief of the Brazilian

1925
01:37:36,530 --> 01:37:33,840
UFO magazine and Brazilian national

1926
01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:36,540
director for Mutual UFO Network I'm also

1927
01:37:40,189 --> 01:37:38,280
director for the Brazilian Center for

1928
01:37:41,450 --> 01:37:40,199
flying saucer research for about 11

1929
01:37:44,330 --> 01:37:41,460
years now

1930
01:37:47,570 --> 01:37:44,340
yes this is a new piece of evidence that

1931
01:37:50,810 --> 01:37:47,580
we just reached what three or four weeks

1932
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:50,820
ago because a military decide to talk

1933
01:37:57,169 --> 01:37:54,000
more than we have red heard from other

1934
01:37:58,669 --> 01:37:57,179
military and this new new witness have

1935
01:38:01,970 --> 01:37:58,679
told us that

1936
01:38:04,729 --> 01:38:01,980
he was participating in an operation of

1937
01:38:07,310 --> 01:38:04,739
retrieving debris from a crotchet saucer

1938
01:38:10,010 --> 01:38:07,320
or a crushed object he didn't know it

1939
01:38:12,830 --> 01:38:10,020
was an a saucer a flying saucer

1940
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:12,840
and this operation took place at the

1941
01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:13,920
same night

1942
01:38:19,970 --> 01:38:16,500
the alien creatures were spotted in

1943
01:38:23,390 --> 01:38:19,980
sinning and and captured in Brazil

1944
01:38:24,649 --> 01:38:23,400
but now we know for sure that the U.S

1945
01:38:28,189 --> 01:38:24,659
authorities

1946
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,199
have detected through the satellite

1947
01:38:32,750 --> 01:38:30,960
system that an object was entering our

1948
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:32,760
atmosphere

1949
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:35,280
and it it informed the Brazilian

1950
01:38:42,590 --> 01:38:39,360
arthritis that probable point of

1951
01:38:44,990 --> 01:38:42,600
touchdown would be in our territory and

1952
01:38:46,610 --> 01:38:45,000
our military our authorities

1953
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:46,620
search for

1954
01:38:53,149 --> 01:38:49,199
a place where it could crash or

1955
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,159
touchdown some Raider controllers were

1956
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:55,679
being involved in involved in this

1957
01:39:01,550 --> 01:38:59,280
detection and it was determinant the

1958
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:01,560
Touchstone Point as a soft-up stick of

1959
01:39:07,729 --> 01:39:05,040
measure eyes exactly Virginia

1960
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,739
and the military closest to that place

1961
01:39:12,410 --> 01:39:09,600
where said

1962
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:12,420
to retrieve the debris and possibly

1963
01:39:15,410 --> 01:39:14,400
retrieve eventual creatures that could

1964
01:39:17,209 --> 01:39:15,420
be seen

1965
01:39:18,290 --> 01:39:17,219
what happened is in the morning of that

1966
01:39:21,649 --> 01:39:18,300
day

1967
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:21,659
started seeing creatures around

1968
01:39:28,189 --> 01:39:24,480
yes the vehicle was described by the

1969
01:39:31,250 --> 01:39:28,199
witness euriku and Orinda a couple who

1970
01:39:34,010 --> 01:39:31,260
lives in a farm about one mile from word

1971
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:34,020
playing the the object crashed

1972
01:39:40,610 --> 01:39:36,960
they describe this object as being as a

1973
01:39:42,830 --> 01:39:40,620
van or a minibus something between a van

1974
01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:42,840
and a minibus trembling

1975
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:45,420
trembling they said it traveling like a

1976
01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:49,440
curtain but this trembling like this did

1977
01:39:54,910 --> 01:39:52,080
their metal surface was trending like

1978
01:39:58,250 --> 01:39:54,920
that and releasing his smoke

1979
01:40:01,310 --> 01:39:58,260
and it was felling down and it fell down

1980
01:40:04,129 --> 01:40:01,320
actually and they fall into that

1981
01:40:07,370 --> 01:40:04,139
quicker started saying being seen by

1982
01:40:10,610 --> 01:40:07,380
popular people people around the same

1983
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:10,620
night first stop was in a

1984
01:40:17,930 --> 01:40:14,400
emergency room in a small place

1985
01:40:22,189 --> 01:40:17,940
neighboring area of Virginia when the

1986
01:40:24,410 --> 01:40:22,199
the doctor in charge on duty at that

1987
01:40:26,450 --> 01:40:24,420
nights looked like the creature he said

1988
01:40:35,290 --> 01:40:26,460
no we can't stay with this future here

1989
01:40:41,090 --> 01:40:38,629
a public Hospital the biggest public

1990
01:40:44,030 --> 01:40:41,100
Hospital in Virginia area which is the

1991
01:40:46,850 --> 01:40:44,040
regional hospital where it was

1992
01:40:49,490 --> 01:40:46,860
treated for two or three hours then it

1993
01:40:51,950 --> 01:40:49,500
was taken to a private Hospital which is

1994
01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:51,960
much more well equipped to receive

1995
01:40:57,890 --> 01:40:54,780
treatment for

1996
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:57,900
any kind of disease

1997
01:41:02,390 --> 01:41:00,480
and it stayed there for two nights two

1998
01:41:04,030 --> 01:41:02,400
preachers were first taken to like an

1999
01:41:07,970 --> 01:41:04,040
emergency room

2000
01:41:09,950 --> 01:41:07,980
a Trauma Center that kind of brief

2001
01:41:13,370 --> 01:41:09,960
treatment and you said there was a nurse

2002
01:41:16,850 --> 01:41:13,380
who had 18 years experience yes

2003
01:41:19,070 --> 01:41:16,860
and did and she was interviewed

2004
01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:19,080
she was an interview yeah what did she

2005
01:41:23,629 --> 01:41:21,480
say basically about the brief visit

2006
01:41:25,250 --> 01:41:23,639
there at that hospital well she was

2007
01:41:27,649 --> 01:41:25,260
asked by the director not to say

2008
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:27,659
anything about it to anybody but she

2009
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:29,520
agreed to talk to the investigators and

2010
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:32,400
she said that what she saw was not in

2011
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,500
this world was a very strange creature

2012
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:36,480
in lots of doctor were involved in

2013
01:41:41,629 --> 01:41:39,060
treating the creature for the time of Me

2014
01:41:44,270 --> 01:41:41,639
by the time the creature was there and

2015
01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:44,280
everybody denied in the the director of

2016
01:41:48,109 --> 01:41:46,320
the hospital of course tonight and all

2017
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:48,119
the doctors denied but a few of them

2018
01:41:52,729 --> 01:41:49,920
decided to talk

2019
01:41:53,629 --> 01:41:52,739
because they realize the importance of

2020
01:41:56,510 --> 01:41:53,639
this case

2021
01:41:58,910 --> 01:41:56,520
15 doctors were involved in in observing

2022
01:42:01,550 --> 01:41:58,920
and treating the creature and making the

2023
01:42:03,470 --> 01:42:01,560
analyze of the creature a few of them

2024
01:42:07,850 --> 01:42:03,480
were not presenting at all were American

2025
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,860
doctors were sent in to Brazil

2026
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:09,600
to check on it

2027
01:42:14,810 --> 01:42:12,239
and was there any information on where

2028
01:42:17,810 --> 01:42:14,820
the American stayed or how they were

2029
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:17,820
yeah we have a few information about the

2030
01:42:21,470 --> 01:42:19,980
registering in hotels we have fewer

2031
01:42:25,070 --> 01:42:21,480
names but we believe those names are

2032
01:42:26,750 --> 01:42:25,080
fake uh how many first-hand witnesses

2033
01:42:29,629 --> 01:42:26,760
when you say all of the Brazilian

2034
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:29,639
investigators have him yeah from from 30

2035
01:42:37,609 --> 01:42:33,199
to 40 30 to 40. yes about 17 military

2036
01:42:39,709 --> 01:42:37,619
agreed to talk 17 17 military from from

2037
01:42:42,669 --> 01:42:39,719
all police military police civilian

2038
01:42:45,709 --> 01:42:42,679
police Army and fire department

2039
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:45,719
cementing that's incredible that's

2040
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:48,719
incredible this is a massive number of

2041
01:42:54,830 --> 01:42:51,600
people talking about the same thing it's

2042
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:54,840
amazing very rare

2043
01:43:01,149 --> 01:42:58,560
yeah we know that there's a lab where

2044
01:43:05,450 --> 01:43:01,159
the autopsies have been performed since

2045
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:05,460
January by the team of Dr badan palaris

2046
01:43:12,530 --> 01:43:09,600
which runs of our best friends it's not

2047
01:43:14,510 --> 01:43:12,540
the best forensic doctor now and we

2048
01:43:17,450 --> 01:43:14,520
found out that there is a underground

2049
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:17,460
facility under his lab which is also the

2050
01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:20,639
which is also a lab used by the army

2051
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:23,340
because we had lots of torture problems

2052
01:43:30,169 --> 01:43:27,540
uh back to 10 20 years ago and when

2053
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,179
someone were tortured it was analyzing

2054
01:43:37,370 --> 01:43:32,880
the underground facility which now has

2055
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:37,380
been used as a covered place for autopsy

2056
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:40,159
up the creatures the aliens creatures

2057
01:43:46,609 --> 01:43:43,920
now that information came from what type

2058
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:46,619
of witness or source

2059
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:49,440
from people close to the tarbada padais

2060
01:43:54,109 --> 01:43:51,840
who don't want to be identified right

2061
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:54,119
now right but this these are people very

2062
01:44:00,410 --> 01:43:56,400
close to him and these same people told

2063
01:44:02,510 --> 01:44:00,420
us that he is willing to talk but he is

2064
01:44:06,129 --> 01:44:02,520
about to wait

2065
01:44:08,270 --> 01:44:06,139
the other rumors to seize

2066
01:44:11,870 --> 01:44:08,280
aren't you nobody remembers about the

2067
01:44:15,530 --> 01:44:11,880
story when it's not so evident when he

2068
01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:15,540
is not in such a delicate position then

2069
01:44:19,729 --> 01:44:17,580
he will be willing to talk privately

2070
01:44:22,010 --> 01:44:19,739
with your researchers about what have

2071
01:44:24,050 --> 01:44:22,020
happened you know it's straight what did

2072
01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:24,060
he actually say in researchers and then

2073
01:44:30,050 --> 01:44:27,420
what did she describe well she's she and

2074
01:44:32,689 --> 01:44:30,060
other wives of the militaries was very

2075
01:44:35,629 --> 01:44:32,699
upset because their husbands have to

2076
01:44:37,550 --> 01:44:35,639
stay in the in the in the

2077
01:44:38,390 --> 01:44:37,560
military installation for quite some

2078
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:38,400
time

2079
01:44:43,010 --> 01:44:40,320
and they start talking about what I have

2080
01:44:44,510 --> 01:44:43,020
he can get off the place he can't even

2081
01:44:46,430 --> 01:44:44,520
get off the place because he has to take

2082
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:46,440
care of the creature and all the stuff

2083
01:44:52,850 --> 01:44:49,020
and talk to people and do all those

2084
01:44:55,550 --> 01:44:52,860
silly meetings you know how women

2085
01:44:58,189 --> 01:44:55,560
military wives say those says about

2086
01:45:01,010 --> 01:44:58,199
things like that and more than that and

2087
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:01,020
he the commander Sergio Lima have

2088
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,639
treated very badly the year for

2089
01:45:07,550 --> 01:45:05,040
researchers he tried to deny anything

2090
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:07,560
everything many times but

2091
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:11,040
and he once called The Press

2092
01:45:19,129 --> 01:45:14,639
he called The Press because he was

2093
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:19,139
denounced us withholding information so

2094
01:45:25,310 --> 01:45:21,600
he called the breast who to to defend

2095
01:45:27,129 --> 01:45:25,320
himself and he got in even

2096
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:27,139
deeper problems

2097
01:45:31,310 --> 01:45:30,000
he tries to get rid of the problem but

2098
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:31,320
he attracted much more problems because

2099
01:45:35,930 --> 01:45:33,840
the price is not stupid the president's

2100
01:45:37,790 --> 01:45:35,940
not stupid at all and they found out

2101
01:45:39,530 --> 01:45:37,800
everything about the case that's what

2102
01:45:41,209 --> 01:45:39,540
happened well and meanwhile it's insane

2103
01:45:42,890 --> 01:45:41,219
that he's involved in his meetings and

2104
01:45:45,770 --> 01:45:42,900
she even knew what the meaning for about

2105
01:45:47,870 --> 01:45:45,780
didn't she yeah yeah she's starting to

2106
01:45:52,689 --> 01:45:47,880
tell you oh what the hell does Endless

2107
01:45:58,370 --> 01:45:55,970
well if you talk to people in Brazil you

2108
01:46:00,169 --> 01:45:58,380
find easily that 60 of these people

2109
01:46:01,629 --> 01:46:00,179
believe that the government is

2110
01:46:03,950 --> 01:46:01,639
withholding information

2111
01:46:06,410 --> 01:46:03,960
and these people believe that the case

2112
01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:06,420
in Virginia really happened yes it's

2113
01:46:13,790 --> 01:46:10,260
because you know but our nature is that

2114
01:46:16,669 --> 01:46:13,800
we we didn't have a tendency to to

2115
01:46:17,689 --> 01:46:16,679
create stories and perpetuate stories

2116
01:46:21,410 --> 01:46:17,699
now

2117
01:46:23,390 --> 01:46:21,420
it the Press gave such good coverage to

2118
01:46:25,310 --> 01:46:23,400
the case that people believe because

2119
01:46:27,290 --> 01:46:25,320
they have seen the evidence in

2120
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:27,300
television and other Medias

2121
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,280
and I'll say that six percent of

2122
01:46:33,290 --> 01:46:31,199
population in Brazil lives in the case

2123
01:46:36,830 --> 01:46:33,300
yeah definitely

2124
01:46:39,410 --> 01:46:36,840
well John I I have a personal confidence

2125
01:46:42,890 --> 01:46:39,420
that very soon we are going to have

2126
01:46:46,189 --> 01:46:42,900
fantastic surprises

2127
01:46:49,189 --> 01:46:46,199
quoting the UFO researchers that are

2128
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:49,199
mostly involved with this case they used

2129
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,400
to say

2130
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:52,080
I thought

2131
01:46:58,609 --> 01:46:55,199
I was doing UFO research all these years

2132
01:47:01,370 --> 01:46:58,619
now I know that there was playing

2133
01:47:03,970 --> 01:47:01,380
whether you were for research UF

2134
01:47:06,890 --> 01:47:03,980
research is what we have been doing now

2135
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:06,900
and now we're real this is the real

2136
01:47:12,470 --> 01:47:09,360
thing this is the real nothing is

2137
01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:12,480
compared to it this is what they say and

2138
01:47:18,830 --> 01:47:14,880
I believe that what type of surprise are

2139
01:47:21,229 --> 01:47:18,840
you that we are going to force people to

2140
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:21,239
talk more and more and more and there

2141
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:24,239
will come a time when there we will have

2142
01:47:29,209 --> 01:47:26,159
so much information

2143
01:47:31,310 --> 01:47:29,219
that we will drop all this information

2144
01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:31,320
in the face of the military and say now

2145
01:47:35,870 --> 01:47:33,600
what you tell us we have all this

2146
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:35,880
evidence are you still going on we

2147
01:47:40,490 --> 01:47:37,520
destroyed that nothing happened

2148
01:47:41,930 --> 01:47:40,500
they will be forced to talk yeah

2149
01:47:43,790 --> 01:47:41,940
officially

2150
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,800
and when they do that

2151
01:47:48,169 --> 01:47:45,360
it's gonna be

2152
01:47:50,750 --> 01:47:48,179
fantastic Revelations if our government

2153
01:47:52,910 --> 01:47:50,760
release those information

2154
01:47:53,570 --> 01:47:52,920
it's going to be something unique in the

2155
01:47:56,090 --> 01:47:53,580
world

2156
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:56,100
but on the other hand you can see that

2157
01:47:59,390 --> 01:47:58,260
National and not National but

2158
01:48:01,609 --> 01:47:59,400
internationally

2159
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:01,619
there is a big movement

2160
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:05,520
between people to force all governments

2161
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:08,040
to speak about your foes like U.S

2162
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:10,800
government this is 1996. they are

2163
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:12,540
withholding information for more than 50

2164
01:48:17,149 --> 01:48:15,840
years now teachers can handle all this

2165
01:48:19,310 --> 01:48:17,159
information they just can hold

2166
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,320
information any longer I believe that

2167
01:48:24,530 --> 01:48:21,840
something is going to happen very soon

2168
01:48:26,810 --> 01:48:24,540
either the UFOs will come more and more

2169
01:48:28,609 --> 01:48:26,820
or something I don't know but I believe

2170
01:48:31,790 --> 01:48:28,619
that the governments will very soon

2171
01:48:34,669 --> 01:48:31,800
admit not only the existence of UFOs but

2172
01:48:37,129 --> 01:48:34,679
that they are here and now and they are

2173
01:48:39,530 --> 01:48:37,139
in some sort of mission toward us

2174
01:48:42,350 --> 01:48:39,540
they're not all observing

2175
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:42,360
it's not only curiosity there is a

2176
01:48:46,850 --> 01:48:45,780
designated plan for approach Earth and

2177
01:48:49,970 --> 01:48:46,860
Earthlings

2178
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:49,980
and the government is of course aware of

2179
01:48:56,270 --> 01:48:53,760
that much more than humor or me because

2180
01:48:58,609 --> 01:48:56,280
we we may have the willing to know

2181
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:58,619
everything about UFOs we may have this

2182
01:49:04,370 --> 01:49:01,679
this state of mind that we have we love

2183
01:49:07,550 --> 01:49:04,380
to search these things but it is the

2184
01:49:09,410 --> 01:49:07,560
government who has the personal the labs

2185
01:49:12,830 --> 01:49:09,420
the communications the transportations

2186
01:49:15,290 --> 01:49:12,840
the money the satellites the facilities

2187
01:49:18,109 --> 01:49:15,300
it's the government who has

2188
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:18,119
everything and of course they know much

2189
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:23,040
much much more than we do well we still

2190
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:26,880
are expecting to have more evidence in

2191
01:49:31,729 --> 01:49:29,040
more detail it's not all evidence but

2192
01:49:33,950 --> 01:49:31,739
details about the crash we have

2193
01:49:35,629 --> 01:49:33,960
information we concentrated on the

2194
01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:35,639
capture in obtaining information about

2195
01:49:41,090 --> 01:49:38,940
the capture of the it is right and the

2196
01:49:43,129 --> 01:49:41,100
information about the crash just came

2197
01:49:45,649 --> 01:49:43,139
two or three weeks three or four weeks

2198
01:49:47,689 --> 01:49:45,659
ago and now we're concentrating on that

2199
01:49:50,450 --> 01:49:47,699
I believe we're going to have lots of

2200
01:49:53,930 --> 01:49:50,460
information about it very soon if this

2201
01:49:56,030 --> 01:49:53,940
underground base uh there are bodies

2202
01:49:58,250 --> 01:49:56,040
there now do you believe yes I believe

2203
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:58,260
there are two at least two bodies but

2204
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:00,800
probably more does that come from

2205
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:03,840
eyewitness testimony yes

2206
01:50:09,410 --> 01:50:06,239
the buds were ticking there we know that

2207
01:50:11,930 --> 01:50:09,420
person and was there any belief that any

2208
01:50:13,310 --> 01:50:11,940
bodies or lime beings were taken to the

2209
01:50:17,330 --> 01:50:13,320
United States

2210
01:50:19,370 --> 01:50:17,340
yes there is some evidence that suggests

2211
01:50:22,430 --> 01:50:19,380
that at least one body was taken to

2212
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:22,440
United States to California on January

2213
01:50:27,770 --> 01:50:26,159
26 1996. interesting

2214
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,780
we don't have the confirmation for that

2215
01:50:32,930 --> 01:50:30,239
but we have information

2216
01:50:34,970 --> 01:50:32,940
not confirmed what do we have this is

2217
01:50:37,070 --> 01:50:34,980
the name Edwards Air Force Base ring a